Basilio saying CBJ’s people working on buyout

[Obsessed]

I sincerely doubt Butch resigns. Obviously basilio is full of crap, but no way Butch walks away from the $. If I’m wrong, I’ll gladly admit it.

You are wrong, to a degree....

He’s getting some, but not all of his buy out.

Trust me Joe...

 

[AM64]

When Butch said that UT was his dream job, that was 100% truth. As in "never in my wildest dreams did I ever expect to land a job where I could bilk a major power 5 football program that was majorly vulnerable out of millions of dollars." It's easy to see now that he has built a career off of taking advantage of "situations" at all the schools he has coached at. Butch is an extremely smart guy. Just not at coaching football. He knew he could take us for a ride because UT was so beat down by Dooley. He played us like a stradivarius.

In his defense the UT administration is completely complicit in all this. They were the ones who were conned and gave him the money no doubt. Doesn't change the spirit of the situation.

Poor vulnerable program who was turned down by many other coaches. He had all the leverage in the negotiations. All he had to do was play it cool and say all the right things and he was on his way to a lifetime of opulence. Many CEOs do this same thing every day.

It's the difference between a reasoned analytical approach to a problem and the lotto approach. Believing that there is one guy out there who can lead you out of the wilderness is the lotto approach, and there's usually a lot of snake oil involved.

The other response is to actually sit down and figure out what's wrong and precisely what you need to fix it, but nobody seems to have time or the mental acuity to do that these days.

In engineering when we were overruled by the business types the generally true comment on losing was "There's never time to do it right, but there's always time to fix it." We lived to see that time after time.

Jones was the "white knight" to cure it all, and Hamilton and Hart (among others) were the ones who believe in fairy tales and golden coaches at the end of the rainbow. There was really no sound reason at all to believe Jones would succeed in the SEC.

I was looking up an unusual delay of game penalty I saw in the USC/Utah game, and in the comments the USC fans were bashing their coach and OC (Tee Martin) just like UT fans are doing here. Yet, there are any number of people here who apparently believe Tee is the one to lead TN out of the wilderness - like a hot insider number combination guaranteed to win the lottery.

The sad truth is most university and corporate brain trusts fall victim to charmers time and time again because they fail to analyze the problem and how the proposed solution will fix it.

 

[DaUndergroundMan]

If Butch never wants to coach again, none of this is an issue. Or if hes content to start over as a wide receivers coach, like Dooley.

1. Butch is still young, but not young enough to start over.

2. Have you seen the size of that man's ego? Have you seen him lord over practice, with a megaphone, distracting and ruining the individual training by position coaches. Jumping around hollering at players randomly? Have you seen him cling to his infallible system? Push it in subordinates, then fire them when it doesnt work? Hire another and do the same thing all over again.

That monstrous ego itself is leverage that can be skillfully used against him.

Currie just may be a genius.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

No one expects him to walk away from a buyout. But at this point his "business" of being Butch Jones is going under, he needs to bale water quickly to save his brand.

This tenuous moment gives Currie leverage he can wield to whittle down the buyout to a more palatable size.

It would be mutually beneficial at this point.

I don't agree with this. He can recruit with the best of them. He will be offered jobs the instant he leaves.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Here we go with Dooley-Kiffin part II. I feel really bad for the players, coaches, alumni, and people who really care about the university. If any of this is true, I hope Butch and his family find a real home, a long successful career, and the fickle media is writing stories about how dumb a move Tennessee made.

The only bad move was not firing his sorry ass last year but nobody wanted Dave Hart making another hire.

 

[hohenfelsvol]

The only bad move was not firing his sorry ass last year but nobody wanted Dave Hart making another hire.

Yep

 

[utvol1994]

I wouldn't be too sure he's gonna do it. He's likely gonna keep trying to win ball games to the best of his ability because he's getting paid well to do it. I think the players still have his back too and they honestly like their coach. This doesn't have to be ugly.

Agree, the man didn't get the job done but there isn't any need dragging his name thru the mud. I feel for his family, regardless of the millions, and the players. It's amazing we haven't won the East since 2007. Hard pill to swallow.

 

[Coug]

I sincerely doubt Butch resigns. Obviously basilio is full of crap, but no way Butch walks away from the $. If I’m wrong, I’ll gladly admit it.

It depends. If Butch just wants the money and wants to move on to some other career then he'll make Currie fire him and take the 9mil. If Butch still wants a shot at head coaching in the future it makes more sense to come to an agreement with the school and to mutually part ways. Someone who can mutually part ways looks far more attractive to another school than someone who just gets fired for failing to do his job and takes money.

 

[ITSGR82BATNVOL]

Call me obtuse, but I don't understand negotiating the buyout. I thought the contract language was pretty cut and dry.

Maybe its just negotiating the timing of the announcement and cash flow... but the amount is set, right?

If you quit before your contract expires, you owe the university. If university fires coach, university owes coach full buyout. In this case if he wants to resign, I'm sure the university would be happy to let him, negotiate a smaller buyout (hopefully), and part ways ASAP. Beat case scenario for all involved if true.

 

[SeanJean]

I legitimately will never understand all the hate for Basilio on this board. Easily the most honest and entertaining sports radio guy in this, and many other markets, by miles.

 

[ibvolman]

Call me obtuse, but I don't understand negotiating the buyout. I thought the contract language was pretty cut and dry.

Maybe its just negotiating the timing of the announcement and cash flow... but the amount is set, right?

Or perhaps if Jones resigns on his own then there is some room for a negotiation on the buyout?

 

[wmcovol]

I legitimately will never understand all the hate for Basilio on this board. Easily the most honest and entertaining sports radio guy in this, and many other markets, by miles.

I can wake up on a beautiful morning with a great day ahead of me and after listening to that guy 10 minutes, I need medication and to go to bed.

 

[AM64]

He doesn't get it all at once and if he sits on his butt for awhile, UTK could always suspend payment and claim he's willfully unemployed/underemployed in which case he'd have to file suit for breach and prove that he can't get a coaching job.

You actually know there is a clause in there that he has to actively look for another job? The reduction in buyout if he moves to another job is one that partially protects the university against a Kiffin event.

I would assume that a buyout was simply a consolation for and insurance against not being retained for the duration of an agreed contract.

 

[DaUndergroundMan]

I'm not buying that... The buyout he'd receive from Tennessee is more money that he'd make in 4 years at his next job. It'd only take 1 year of coaching at a mid-major to repair whatever damage is being done to his brand.

I don't see who would hire him. Purdue showed zero interest after his best season.

What kind of beating has his brand taken since then.

Finebaum just said he is an abject failure as a head coach. Make no mistake a complete failure. Sports media has lynched the man far worse than dooley.

A complete lynching. NO ONE WANTS BUTCH JONES AS A HEAD COACH. NO MID MAJOR, NO ONE.

You cant sell this man as a good hire. Sorry about that.

 

[VolRoger]

I legitimately will never understand all the hate for Basilio on this board. Easily the most honest and entertaining sports radio guy in this, and many other markets, by miles.

I think for some it's mainly due to his style of radio show. It is more of a fan's show with all the drama, opinion, and innuendo. The AM990 show is more of a media driven station with focus mainly on substantiated reporting. Some people are turned off by the drama and the plethora of opinions. Basilio claims his show is for the common fan rather than radio controlled by UT brass. AM990 would counter by saying they aren't controlled by the University. Certainly a debatable statement.

 

[Glocker_Alum_2005]

Hey maybe we get lucky and he goes to Ole Miss to "clean up" their program. he can ,milk them from another $2-3M per year. He's probably wanting to $0.75 on the dollar of his buy out up front. That way it is not offset by his future earnings at school XYZ.

 

[Glocker_Alum_2005]

I don't see who would hire him. Purdue showed zero interest after his best season.

What kind of beating has his brand taken since then.

Finebaum just said he is an abject failure as a head coach. Make no mistake a complete failure. Sports media has lynched the man far worse than dooley.

A complete lynching. NO ONE WANTS BUTCH JONES AS A HEAD COACH. NO MID MAJOR, NO ONE.

You cant sell this man as a good hire. Sorry about that.

Ole Miss might take him...for a little while. He runs a clean program.

 

[VolRoger]

I don't see who would hire him. Purdue showed zero interest after his best season.

What kind of beating has his brand taken since then.

Finebaum just said he is an abject failure as a head coach. Make no mistake a complete failure. Sports media has lynched the man far worse than dooley.

A complete lynching. NO ONE WANTS BUTCH JONES AS A HEAD COACH. NO MID MAJOR, NO ONE.

You cant sell this man as a good hire. Sorry about that.

I believe a mid-major school would take a chance on him mainly for his perceived recruiting ability as well as experience - failure or not. I do not see him ever making even half of $4M again.

 

[VolRoger]

You actually know there is a clause in there that he has to actively look for another job? The reduction in buyout if he moves to another job is one that partially protects the university against a Kiffin event.

I would assume that a buyout was simply a consolation for and insurance against not being retained for the duration of an agreed contract.

These statements are absolutely true. The contract clearly says he must be actively looking for work in football to keep receiving his monthly installments from UT.

 

[illinoisvolfan1]

One thing I’ve noticed the last few weeks is when the TV shows Butch on the sideline he is never saying anything. Just looks like he’s stroking out. When they show other coaches, you see them talking or yelling at someone. He appears to be mute on the sideline

 

[The Crimson Cried]

Does he really need his family to tell him the environment is toxic? I mean he boiled the stew, not sure why he needs to be told it has a smell.

 

[ITSGR82BATNVOL]

The only thing toxic in Knoxville is the coaching.

No, it's the environment created by his coaching, and it extends far beyond Knoxville.

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

If butch is debating fighting for his buyout, they need to hold their meetings on the one yard line.... there you know butch is going to pass!

Underrated post, IMO.

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

Does he really need his family to tell him the environment is toxic? I mean he boiled the stew, not sure why he needs to be told it has a smell.

I am beginning to believe he is either that unaware of himself, or he has created this worsening persona of tone deafness lately on purpose to force the AD's hand in firing him.

 

[give_him 6]