Basilio saying CBJ’s people working on buyout

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General Jack said:
Call me obtuse, but I don't understand negotiating the buyout. I thought the contract language was pretty cut and dry.

Maybe its just negotiating the timing of the announcement and cash flow... but the amount is set, right?
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The contract is straightforward as it is right now. It can always be restructured to more amicable terms to both parties if Butch will cooperate. My guess is that Jones still wants to coach somewhere.
 
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thevolwalker said:
Why would he resign and give up 9 million? Butch should force UT to fire him, and I think he is doing a good job of that.
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That $9 million will come in the form of monthly payments over the course of 4-5 years. Maybe he would rather negotiate a lump sum payment.

Instead of giving him $150k a month for 5 years, give him a lump sum of $3 million right now.
 
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General Jack said:
Call me obtuse, but I don't understand negotiating the buyout. I thought the contract language was pretty cut and dry.

Maybe its just negotiating the timing of the announcement and cash flow... but the amount is set, right?
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If Jones wants out bad enough, then I am sure the contract then becomes fluid/negotiable. Someone tell me if I am wrong, but it is perfectly legal to add an addendum to the contract, which nullifies parts of the original agreement, as long as it is agree to by both parties.
 
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General Jack said:
Call me obtuse, but I don't understand negotiating the buyout. I thought the contract language was pretty cut and dry.

Maybe its just negotiating the timing of the announcement and cash flow... but the amount is set, right?
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Some coaches, who believe they will be getting future gigs (which would offset any buyout $), negotiate a substantially lower lump sum to be paid all at once upon termination. Everything's negotiable.
 
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andywilson001 said:
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He's too young to retire, so he's going to want to coach somewhere else when he leaves.
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I think he is done. I would hate to see him wander the earth like Ray Perkins or Mike Dubose, ending up coaching high school.

Enjoy the money and run a local or state Touchdown Club.
 
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Strickland said:
I disagree with this. Coaching is absolutely horrendous, yes, but so is our fanbases' presence on social media. If and when (and it's definitely looking more like when) Butch leaves, I have a feeling that he'll get the Hurd treatment when neither of them deserve(d) it. Fact is: he's done a lot to help our football program and he should be applauded for that. Yet, at the same time, it's clear that he is not the guy and thus, a parting of ways is inevitable. I'm just hoping it's much more amicable than where it's headed. Personally, I've been more embarrassed by our social media presence than his coaching performance (though to be fair, not by much).

Yes, it's time for him to leave. No question about it. But it's also time for us to grow up and trust Currie to make the right hire.
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If only social media were a thing when Alabama was in the "Mikes" era. Our fan base isn't as out of line as you would paint it to be. Find me another power 5 program that used to be considered a powerful force who has gone though the mud for so long as Tennessee during the height of social media.

I also challenge the notion that Butch has really done anything tangible to positively affect the football program. I will give you this... "on paper" he improved it over Dooley. In reality Butch is nothing more that Dooley plus wins over Florida and Georgia. And for each of those wins I can name 5 horrific blunders on the football field or in the press room. If you consider that coming a long way then so be it. All I can say is people have differing opinions on what helping our program means.

Butch was terrific at one single thing. Perpetuating the hype train. I think in the era of social media the hype train is a valuable thing. But it only buys you so much time before you are exposed as a fraud. Now that these recruits see that former UT commits aren't receiving what Butch promised them and UT is not in fact improving in any tangible way, our recruiting will begin to fail. And no, I don't believe it's because of a toxic fan base or media. It's because the football program sucks and the head coach is a documented liar who throws his own players and coaches under the bus. Nobody wants to be a part of that. This is why coaches as well as players have outright quit.
 
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sjt18 said:
LOL... they "environment has become too toxic"?

That tends to happen when you're paid over $4 million and constantly underperform the talent of your roster.
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2-15-13
""There isn't anybody as impatient as me," said Jones. "I want to win now. We expect to win now. But we have to deserve to win in everything we do. And we have all the resources at Tennessee to be successful.""

"Jones said Tennessee's struggles are no different than those at any other major program. "It's like a storm," he said, "and the storm has passed. You look at the biggest programs in the country; they've all gone through trials and tribulations, 'their time.' We firmly believe Tennessee has gone through its time and you can see the sun breaking through the clouds.""

One storm passed, and another arrived.

The storms don't just come from no-where, Coach -- in the world of SEC-football, like a cycle of the seasons, the storms are usually caused by the caretaker.

Zac Ellis: Butch Jones out to spark a renaissance at Tennessee | SI.com
 
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It's unfortunate and I hope it's not the case but I bet his kids get a ton of hate at school. It's probably taking a toll on his wife too. I really do feel sorry for him and his family because they all seem very nice. I wish Butch could have worked out here. He's the type of guy you like to root for but everything that comes with being the head coach here is too much for him. He would be very successful at a school with lesser expectations and less of a rabid fan base. I for one hope for nothing but the best for him and his family. It's not personal, it's just the nature of the beast.
 
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Shame Butch's family and friends lie to him. Knoxville is not too toxic.

The honest thing would be to tell him he is incompetent as sh**.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
If Jones does this, he has pretty much relegated himself to be a mid-major coach for the rest of his career. The environment in Knoxville is no more toxic than it is in Austin, Miami, Tallahassee or Tuscaloosa.

He'd be admitting that he not only doesn't have the skills to coach at a top tier program, but he doesn't have the courage either.
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You could also reason that if he waited until the end of the season, he'd have a tough time getting much more than an assistant coach gig, so, mid-major would be a better slide.
 
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jamesthesame said:
This is interesting. I bet it's horrible for Butch right now. Any football town is tough on a coach.
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Agree. He gave it his best shot, worked his arse off, actually did some really good things for the program. But he's just not cut out to put together a championship level SEC team, it's beyond him. No worries, he'll leave the program better off than he found, we should appreciate him for that. He just needs to leave now, much sooner rather than later before the slide begins getting much steeper.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Butchs family and friends have convinced him the environment in Knoxville is just too toxic and he should get out as soon as possible.

* not my words. - Basilios words.
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:crazy::crazy:

The CBJ show has been on a downhill slide for a long time now....the ONLY ones who are truly SUFFERING from the toxicity of CBJ are the VOLUNTEER program, players, and fans.

Better to pay him to take his incompetence on the road.....wow--what a nice comfy, cozy cushion for him to land upon while the rest of us continue in misery!
 
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KBVol said:
Agree. He gave it his best shot, worked his arse off, actually did some really good things for the program. But he's just not cut out to put together a championship level SEC team, it's beyond him. No worries, he'll leave the program better off than he found, we should appreciate him for that. He just needs to leave now, much sooner rather than later before the slide begins getting much steeper.
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Agree
 
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General Jack said:
Call me obtuse, but I don't understand negotiating the buyout. I thought the contract language was pretty cut and dry.

Maybe its just negotiating the timing of the announcement and cash flow... but the amount is set, right?
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If he is fired, the buyout is set. If he resigns in order to avoid the negative impression of firing, the buyout would be negotiated in the best interest of both parties. It's like an employee resigning rather than being fired to have a better chance of getting another job.
 
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I have disliked botch from the word go. I have never one time even thought to bring his wife or kids into the the argument. That is truly tasteless and sleazy.
 
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andywilson001 said:
It's actually a smart move for Butch. Someone mentioned this in another thread.

He's too young to retire, so he's going to want to coach somewhere else when he leaves. If they let him stick around and finish with a 5-7 or 4-8 record, that will hurt his chances of landing another decent HC job. He knows he's not coming back next year, and he knows the chances of turning this year around are slim. If he resigns instead of getting fired, that will look better on him to prospective teams.
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Maybe, but if I was an AD, there's no way I consider hiring a coach that quit in mid-season because of a "toxic" environment. And, if I am a dad, there's no way I support my kid going to play for that guy.

How does a coach preach "never quit" when he did?
 
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jakez4ut said:
purely from a "money out the door" standpoint, he'd be a fool to resign and re tool the buyout.

they'd have to fire me, and pay me to do it.:)
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Does the taxes in Tennessee effect this any? Like if he takes a buyout now lumpsum versus payments going to him when he lives in a different location? I'm pretty clueless on tax laws.
 
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i2amavol said:
If Jones wants out bad enough, then I am sure the contract then becomes fluid/negotiable. Someone tell me if I am wrong, but it is perfectly legal to add an addendum to the contract, which nullifies parts of the original agreement, as long as it is agree to by both parties.
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Happens all the time in business. Jones two extensions were nothing more than addendums to the original 2013 contract.
 
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