Bash Dooley here....

[Volfan8282]

Yes, we were.

Kiffin reminds me a lot of Butch Davis, A heck of a recruiter not much worth in the HC department.

Yeah, six secondary violations always lead to something big. :ermm:

If Dooley is clearly better than Kiffin, then why didn't USC hire Dooley when given the chance? I mean, since he's the better coach and all.

 

[tvolsfan]

Yes, we were.

Kiffin reminds me a lot of Butch Davis, A heck of a recruiter not much worth in the HC department.

I don't really feel like discussing Kiffin right now, but Butch Davis is definitely a good head coach.

 

[utgibbs]

Wait 'til we're 1-7 or 2-6... it's not that long to wait and see.

First, Dooley has already done more with less. He is starting further behind than Kiffin. Kiffin took a team Fulmer would have been 9 - 4 with and made them 7 - 6. HUZZAH!

2 - 6 is a distinct possiblity of the squad next year given the schedule. And if we are, Vol fans who wanted Kiffin, had better be the first to support Dooley. We nuked the program for you; you'd better see it through.

Retaining Chaney and Thompson and hiring Baggett and Wilcox have been highlights. Remember, two of the biggest stars of the Kiffin Team were gone - even before Hollywood!

We won't know for a couple of years, but Dooley is building "a system" at UT, not using it for a springboard to the NFL. He is focused on the systems and the relationships, not marketing and publicity. In an era where media profile is important, he has stage presence (hell, Fulmer has been in an Academy Award winning movie; both he and Dooley are better on TV than Hollywood was).

Whereas I can sympathize with the "Fire Coach Fulmer" movement, I cannot endorse the way in which he was removed, and certainly not for Hambone's Experiment.

Dooley starts with a "roughing the program" penalty. Dooley, thanks to Hollywood, begins his coaching career at UT with 1st and 20. We've got to get behind this guy.

 

[KingNick865]

First, Dooley has already done more with less. He is starting further behind than Kiffin. Kiffin took a team Fulmer would have been 9 - 4 with and made them 7 - 6. HUZZAH!

2 - 6 is a distinct possiblity of the squad next year given the schedule. And if we are, Vol fans who wanted Kiffin, had better be the first to support Dooley. We nuked the program for you; you'd better see it through.

Retaining Chaney and Thompson and hiring Baggett and Wilcox have been highlights. Remember, two of the biggest stars of the Kiffin Team were gone - even before Hollywood!

We won't know for a couple of years, but Dooley is building "a system" at UT, not using it for a springboard to the NFL. He is focused on the systems and the relationships, not marketing and publicity. In an era where media profile is important, he has stage presence (hell, Fulmer has been in an Academy Award winning movie; both he and Dooley are better on TV than Hollywood was).

Whereas I can sympathize with the "Fire Coach Fulmer" movement, I cannot endorse the way in which he was removed, and certainly not for Hambone's Experiment.

Dooley starts with a "roughing the program" penalty. Dooley, thanks to Hollywood, begins his coaching career at UT with 1st and 20. We've got to get behind this guy.

lol:

2009 under CPF would have seen us get crushed by both Florida and Alabama, losses to Georgia, Kentucky, UCLA, Auburn, and a possible embarrassing loss to Ohio.

 

[utgibbs]

lol:

2009 under CPF would have seen us get crushed by both Florida and Alabama, losses to Georgia, Kentucky, UCLA, Auburn, and a possible embarrassing loss to Ohio.

I don't think so. I think he beats UCLA and Auburn.

If Fulmer had coached the exact same game against Florida last year, most of Vol Nation would consider it an embarrassing loss. If he doesn't beat Bama, no one would be talking about "moral victories."

It's all perspective.

 

[kptvol]

I don't think so. I think he beats UCLA and Auburn.

If Fulmer had coached the exact same game against Florida last year, most of Vol Nation would consider it an embarrassing loss.

It's all perspective.

Let's see. By any objective measure UCLA and Auburn were better in 2008. UT clearly had a more complete roster in 2008, as well. Not sure how you justify us beating those two teams when they are stronger and we are weaker.

 

[utgibbs]

Let's see. By any objective measure UCLA and Auburn were better in 2008. UT clearly had a more complete roster in 2008, as well. Not sure how you justify us beating those two teams when they are stronger and we are weaker.

We should have beat them last year under Hollywood. I think Fulmer gets it done. Continuity was JC's problem; Clawson Year Two finds the production. Any production from JC in those games, and it's night and day.

Moreover, Hollywood should have beaten both of them anyway, and he didn't. He was still forcing JC to throw when clearly it wasn't the time; much like Clawson the year before.

 

[kptvol]

We should have beat them last year under Hollywood. I think Fulmer gets it done. Continuity was JC's problem; Clawson Year Two finds the production. Any production from JC in those games, and it's night and day.

Moreover, Hollywood should have beaten both of them anyway, and he didn't. He was still forcing JC to throw when clearly it wasn't the time; much like Clawson the year before.

Probably should have won the UCLA game. However, without Jon getting the throws he got in that game (which likely caused us to lose) maybe he's not good enough by the 4th quarter of the Auburn game to get us near a win. Tough to say. And I see no reason to think Clawson would fix Crompton. He did not improve one iota from day 1 of 2008 until the UK game. By that time, the offense had been simplified to the point any high school could be brought in and Clawson drawing the play in the dirt just prior to the snap would suffice.

Additionally, Crompton has credited the new staff with his improvement to the point that his dad is now a Trojan fan even after being a lifelong UT fan.

Plus, look at the way UCLA's offense shredded our more talented 2008 defense with an obviously inferior QB. No reason to think Prince wouldn't have thrown for 500 yards against a Prentiss Waggner. secondary.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Fulmer did his own nuking by skipping on player evaluation and letting Rivals do his scouting. Failure to win a title of any sort for a decade also played in there, but the main culprit was huge swaths of empty seats in the stadium named for the real legend whose records he was bent on chasing. GTFO with crap like "we nuked the program for you."
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[Lexvol]

Tubberville was able to get a job.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Tubberville was able to get a job.

Phil didn't because of the age discrimination out there. Vegas Vol tells me that coaches losing it as they age or remain too long at one school just isn't the case, so it's discrimination.
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[utgibbs]

Tubberville was able to get a job.

Phil is doing great on TV and has been in an Academy Award winning movie.

I think Phil likes his new life after coaching. He enquired about a few jobs early, but I don't think he's really going after it.

 

[Lexvol]

Phil didn't because of the age discrimination out there. Vegas Vol tells me that coaches losing as the age or remain too long at one school just isn't the case, so it's discrimination.
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I apologize for my shortsighted evaluation of the situation. I've always operated under the assumption that elite coaches were always in demand.

 

[utgibbs]

Probably should have won the UCLA game. However, without Jon getting the throws he got in that game (which likely caused us to lose) maybe he's not good enough by the 4th quarter of the Auburn game to get us near a win. Tough to say. And I see no reason to think Clawson would fix Crompton. He did not improve one iota from day 1 of 2008 until the UK game. By that time, the offense had been simplified to the point any high school could be brought in and Clawson drawing the play in the dirt just prior to the snap would suffice.

He hadn't improved for the first half of Kiffin tenure's either. It was just as bad.

Again, I think continuity was all he needed. If Phil and Clawson are the coaches for his fifth season, he would credit them too.

I do believe Clawson tried too much too soon.

 

[Lexvol]

Phil is doing great on TV and has been in an Academy Award winning movie.

I think Phil likes his new life after coaching. He enquired about a few jobs early, but I don't think he's really going after it.

You'll have to trust me on this one UG...your assumptions are simply wrong.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Phil is doing great on TV and has been in an Academy Award winning movie.

I think Phil likes his new life after coaching. He enquired about a few jobs early, but I don't think he's really going after it.

Wrong. Right, but who gives a crap. Wrong. Wrong (assuming you meant inquired) and wrong.
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[thunder5]

Wait 'til we're 1-7 or 2-6... it's not that long to wait and see.

Yeah...and that will be completely indicative of Dooley's coaching ability...we should fire him right on the spot if that happens....

It's not like the tough part of our schedule is the first 8 games or anything...

And it's not like he inherited a train wreck that anyone would struggle to get to .500 with this season

 

[NYYVol]

Since you know whats best for the program then tell everybody who they should of hired ? If the hire was so bad then why didnt you take your checkbook out and hire us a coach who deserves to be here.

You're right. A Naver-Has-Been who carried Nick Saban's clipboard deserves to be THC.
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[NYYVol]

Yes, we were.

Kiffin reminds me a lot of Butch Davis, A heck of a recruiter not much worth in the HC department.

Wrong on so many levels.
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[WoodsmanVol]

We should have went after a big name coach, everyone knows that a big name coach is the way to go. It would have made us better immediately. If you dont believe me, ask a Michigan Woulverine fan!!

Excuse me. I do believe the question was what has DD done that justifies the claim he was an unsuitable claim.
I do not believe the question begged a woulda, coulda, shoulda response.

Now, I'm in Dooley's corner until he does something that makes it otherwise. I do think he's a bit low key for today's players but maybe not given the ruckus, very negative ruckus the Kiffin-thing caused last year.

 

[utmba93]

Yeah...and that will be completely indicative of Dooley's coaching ability...we should fire him right on the spot if that happens....

It's not like the tough part of our schedule is the first 8 games or anything...

And it's not like he inherited a train wreck that anyone would struggle to get to .500 with this season

Not completely indicative... you have to consider the whole package.

He did win 4 games in the WAC last year. Let's not forget how impressive that was, especially at LA Tech where no one else has done that poorly in 80 or so years.

The guy is in trouble, but by getting 5X the salary he would have earned by staying at LA Tech, even if he's fired after one year, he's got 5 years to shop around without any personal financial costs, courtesy the University of Tennessee. Great hire. Great contract.

 

[justingroves]

Butch Davis is a strong recruiter, nothing more.

Haha. He got the fricking Browns to the playoffs. He completely rebuilt Miami.

While I agree that O was sick, and he is a great recruiter but lets be honest we were staring down the road of probation. But he as a HC is worse than Dooley.

Based on what, speculation and hearsay? Clay Travis?

 

[utgibbs]

You'll have to trust me on this one UG...your assumptions are simply wrong.

I know he expressed interest in Louisville and ND, but is he really promoting himself as a coach right now? He's got a good gig, and nothing else is TN.

But, my assumptions may simply be wrong.

 

[Fijivol72]

Let's start with recruits calling and getting no returned calls. Let's look at the kid from NC who was snubbed, never contacted until the end that went to Clemson. Let's look at Terry Joseph as the recruiting coordinator, not sure he is coordinating yet. What has he done to deserve the job as RC on his resume?? Let's look at the Brown, AD, and stephens situation. I watched Simms in the Spring game and can not possibly see how this guy can be annoited anything. He looked awful so why let a 5th year senior with some SEC experience go??? My concern is about recruiting and what seems to be a mindset that we can build a foundation with less than top athletes. He was hailed as a master of organization yet I know for a fact through the AD department that we are still desperately behind the learning curve organizationally and that is a scary thought. If you can't recruit studs but only 2 or 3 star players and want to build the foundation on character it just will not work in the SEC. The Stephens and Brown thing bother me the most, we needed those guys and his statement that I am not going to recruit UT players is just plain dumb, other than the title why doesn't he recruit them because they might question who he is, well they are not the only one's saying who is this guy, why did he say the QB job was wide open and then annoint Simms?? Everyone thinks we are deep at TB, let me say this about that. Poole is a good player, but can he carry the load through a grueling schedule? Williams is a shell of himself, and Oku has never shown he can hit the hole with any consistency so if Poole goes down we sure as hell needed BB. Of course not to mention he was the top running back in the country two years ago. That is a lot of evidence to me that he is at best a marginal hire.

 

[utgibbs]

Wrong. Right, but who gives a crap. Wrong. Wrong (assuming you meant inquired) and wrong.
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Enquiry is a variant of inquiry. It's actually the original form of the word dating back to the 14th century.

Could you or Lex please just support your post with something salient? If Fulmer is out there on Linked-In and running the circuit to find an HC position, I'll happily recant.