Barnett already impressing in Philly

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Boca Vol said:
Is this post serious? It's like watching a dog chase its tail.

Regarding Cameron Wake you said he was misused in college and then you ask why COLLEGE performance is a non-factor at the ultimate next level?

As far as the 3 star comment, I have no idea. You asked for examples and I gave you several who were lower draft picks or not drafted at all. If a player went undrafted and went on to become All-pro I'd say that speaks for itself as to their college success translating to the NFL. :good!:
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So you're saying WHERE THEY'RE PICKED correlates to what their performance was in college? Glad you caught that tail.
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There are examples of average performers in college who excelled at the next level, OF COURSE. I provided one in Terrell Davis. The vast majority of Pro Bowlers and HOFers PERFORMED in college.
 
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butchna said:
So you're saying WHERE THEY'RE PICKED correlates to what their performance was in college? Glad you caught that tail.
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There are examples of average performers in college who excelled at the next level, OF COURSE. I provided one in Terrell Davis. The vast majority of Pro Bowlers and HOFers PERFORMED in college.
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Keep trying. :thud:

I think you're confusing where a player was picked or not picked in the draft and determining their success in the NFL. It's not a direct correlation.

How many #1's taken turned out to be complete busts? Yet, everyone of those put up great numbers in college.

Here's another one (only because one of my best friends played with him at Gallatin)...Brent Alexander. He was an good HS player. Went to TN State. Signed by the Cardinals as an undrafted FA in '94...and went on to play 12 years in the NFL. He started 178 out of 192 players.
 
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Boca Vol said:
No, they're just 2 different games. Look at how many players have success that went to a small school or were just an OK player in college.
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Its not a guarantee of success, but sacking the QB is a skill. And to be able to do it at the rate that DB did in college will most definitely translate to the NFL. Someone who can't get to the QB in college will definitely not be able to in the league. Sure, in the NFL you have to be able to rush the QB against bigger stronger and faster athletes, but the basic premise is still the same.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Keep trying. :thud:

I think you're confusing where a player was picked or not picked in the draft and determining their success in the NFL. It's not a direct correlation.

How many #1's taken turned out to be complete busts? Yet, everyone of those put up great numbers in college.

Here's another one (only because one of my best friends played with him at Gallatin)...Brent Alexander. He was an good HS player. Went to TN State. Signed by the Cardinals as an undrafted FA in '94...and went on to play 12 years in the NFL. He started 178 out of 192 players.
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And how did he perform at Tennessee State? Total spare? If he kicked it in Nashville then my point's still on. Just to be clear, are you still arguing that college production is irrelative to projecting the same in the NFL? Your posts don't read like it. I was never talking about honors...Barnett didn't exactly get his fair share.

Edit: And my point has never been about a player's DRAFT POSITION. Mine has been about how college productivity is a strong indicator of professional success. D4H (except when it doesn't suit him) espouses that it has no relevance...and you seemed to agree with him.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Keep trying. :thud:

I think you're confusing where a player was picked or not picked in the draft and determining their success in the NFL. It's not a direct correlation.

How many #1's taken turned out to be complete busts? Yet, everyone of those put up great numbers in college.

Here's another one (only because one of my best friends played with him at Gallatin)...Brent Alexander. He was an good HS player. Went to TN State. Signed by the Cardinals as an undrafted FA in '94...and went on to play 12 years in the NFL. He started 178 out of 192 players.
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I had looked this up for another thread but I found this for last year.


61% of the First Team All Pro were 1st rounders. 39% were top 10 overall picks. 78% were at least 2nd rounders. Only 3 came from outside the top 100 picks.

For 1st and 2nd team combined 53% were 1st rounders and 74% were at least 2nd rounders. Only 14% of 1st and 2nd team All Pros (offense and defense) came from outside the top 100 picks.
 
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butchna said:
And how did he perform at Tennessee State? Total spare? If he kicked it in Nashville then my point's still on. Just to be clear, are you still arguing that college production is irrelative to projecting the same in the NFL? Your posts don't read like it. I was never talking about honors...Barnett didn't exactly get his fair share.

Edit: And my point has never been about a player's DRAFT POSITION. Mine has been about how college productivity is a strong indicator of professional success. D4H (except when it doesn't suit him) espouses that it has no relevance...and you seemed to agree with him.
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I just think there are a lot of circumstances that come into play whether a player's skill set will carry over to the NFL. The players selected in the draft were selected for a reason.

Barnett being a 1st round draft pick doesn't mean he'll tear it up in the NFL. His work ethic and drive will take of that.
 
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Boca Vol said:
I just think there are a lot of circumstances that come into play whether a player's skill set will carry over to the NFL. The players selected in the draft were selected for a reason.

Barnett being a 1st round draft pick doesn't mean he'll tear it up in the NFL. His work ethic and drive will take of that.
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And ONCE AGAIN, draft position hasn't been a part of any of my posts. D4H says that college production has NOTHING to do with how a player projects in the NFL. I and many others say that how a player brings it on the field is an indicator of his success at the next level. Doesn't have to matter if they produced at Buffalo or Ohio State...you can only play the competition in front of you. Players that look athletic and ring bells but don't stand out in COMPETITION don't generally flip the switch when the said competition ratchets up to the nth degree. And let's be honest. College is a job interview for these athletes. Why would a GM bring the nonperfomer who happens to be athletic to camp over the proven results?
 
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butchna said:
And ONCE AGAIN, draft position hasn't been a part of any of my posts. D4H says that college production has NOTHING to do with how a player projects in the NFL. I and many others say that how a player brings it on the field is an indicator of his success at the next level. Doesn't have to matter if they produced at Buffalo or Ohio State...you can only play the competition in front of you. Players that look athletic and ring bells but don't stand out in COMPETITION don't generally flip the switch when the said competition ratchets up to the nth degree. And let's be honest. College is a job interview for these athletes. Why would a GM bring the nonperfomer who happens to be athletic to camp over the proven results?
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Ask Al Davis....or anyone who puts a ton of stock in the underwear olympics (aka the combine).
 
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Boca Vol said:
Ask Al Davis....or anyone who puts a ton of stock in the underwear olympics (aka the combine).
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How'd that work out at the end? Reggie had a huge mess to fix. Started drafting high performers. :hmm:
 
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