BARNES goes for 700 VOLS for 32 MEMPHIS GAME

[JettVol]

The reply to Rickyvol77 applies here as well JettVol
Tiger High's basketball history if far superior to Washington
Washington Huskies
Tournament Appearances: 16
Final Fours: 1
Championships: 0
Win-Loss: 18-17

The most important thing in college basketball is NCAA Tournament performance and Memphis has been a factor in far more NCAAs than either UT or Washington.
But if you want to compare records aside from the NCAA consider that Tennessee is #40 on this list where Memphis is #9 and Washington is not in the top 50
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Thanks for the clarification. I stand corrected.

I guess in my mind I don't see Memphis as a top tier type of a team, but again the numbers don't lie. Nice work on clarifying for me.

That said I hope Barnes and Co. find a way to beat Memphis, I'm not a big fan of coach Penny.

 

[aurabass]

......Tennessee has been to more NCAA tourneys than Memphis...../QUOTE]

Not too sure about your math here Rickyvol77 Last time I checked 26 tournament appearances is more than 20 - and Memphis has only been eligible for the NCAA tourney for 64 years as opposed to our 80.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Memphis has had 20 NCAA bids to Tennessee's 22, but then again, keep sucking up to that Tigger teat....6 of those bids were vacated...again ...because Memphis like their city, cant do anything without being a criminal and cheating....

Tennessee > Memphis and always will be....

 

[esarmstrong]

All of this chatter and comparison of Memphis' record and winning percentage all time is a pointless exercise. The numbers are extremely skewed because of the fact that Memphis did not have a program until 1956 and they have played about half the number of games older programs (like Tennessee) have played. It's really like comparing apples to oranges (pardon the pun).

 

[Rickyvol77]

And they played in Metro, MVC, CUSA, AAC all these weak ass midmajor conferences, but in fairness they do have the only coach that spent years in a federal prison!

 

[JoAllan]

Tennessee has 1656 Victories in 110 seasons 15 wins per season average
Tiger High has 1298 Victories in 64 seasons 20 wins per season average

Sorry but Tiger High's men's basketball record speaks for itself - Given their mid-major status their NCAA tournament record is impressive
The NCAA tournament began in 1939 - 80 years ago
Tiger High only has 64 seasons - 16 less than UT - as tournament eligible
Given the records Tiger High has the more impressive record in large part due to their mid-major status

You do realize during the first 40 years of basketball Tennessee only played between 7-24 games.

In that 110 years Tennessee has had 63 season of .600 or better (above the .500-.599).

In Memphis’s 64 seasons they have had 20 of .600 or better...........twenty.

The numbers speak for themselves!

57% vs 31%

 

[aurabass]

Memphis has had 20 NCAA bids to Tennessee's 22, ....6 of those bids were vacated....

Just the facts Rickyvol77 Memphis had 26 NCAA bids - 6 of which were vacated - not 20 minus 6
Stating the facts has nothing to do with "sucking some Memphis teat"

Dana Kirk was convicted of tax evasion He served four months in a federal minimum-security prison and Kirk gave Keith Lee $1,200, a used 13-inch color television and a new stereo, So yes Kirk cheated and thus violated NCAA rules. However, that has little to do with the fact that Memphis has had great success in basketball.
The same can be said about vacated games by Louisville, Michigan, Syracuse, Fresno State, BYU, Purdue, Arizona, Florida State, Minnesota, California, Southern Cal, and St. John's. These teams have been among the best in college basketball history and I doubt very much that every case of NCAA rules violation was caught and punished by vacated games. At least 3 SEC teams have had NCAA tourney games vacated - Florida, Georgia and Missouri

I have no love for Memphis or Memphis State but I am not blind to their considerable basketball success and the upcoming game is sold out. It will provide a stern test for the Vols and a great win for our record given their ranking at #16.

I fail to understand why you think putting them down will do anything but diminish the accomplishment of beating them here at TBA? The better they are thought of -- the more significant the victory in the eyes of those who seed the tournament. Seems to me it's better to build them up for our benefit. And the truth is as a mid-major they rank quite high historically in a league with Houston, Connecticut, Cincinnati, Wichita State, Temple, and SMU - all of which have final four appearances and 6 Championships between them.

 

[YankeeVol]

i have no interest in promoting anything concerning Memphis / tiger high but Rickyvol77's post requires a serious history lesson
These records speak for themselves because the NCAA results are irrespective of conference affiliation.
you are correct tiger high never WON the Tournament but there is little comparison given their record of 2 championship games, 4 Final Fours and 6 Elite 8's
Tiger High NCAA Tournament History (26 appearances/34-26 record)
• 1973, 2008 Finalist
• 1973, 1985, 2008 Final Four
• Four Final Fours (1957, 2001, 2002, 2005)
• Six Elite Eights (1973, 1985, 1992, 2006, 2007, 2008)
• 11 Sweet 16s (1973, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1992, 1995, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009

TENNESSEE NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY
Tournament Appearances: 20
Final Fours: 0
Championships: 0
Win-Loss: 19-21

Try to avoid putting down a team with a far superior record in the only tournament of record in the sport of college basketball
It is not a good look

11-15 vs UT

2 of 3 Final Fours are VACATED
5 Sweet 16's are VACATED

But that NIT Championship is sweet!

 

[calban]

If we lose to Memphis will there be an I95 meltdown like there was with Cuonzo?
Not saying we will, but..........

 

[VolArmy74]

The issue with claiming Memphis is somehow better because they went to more NCAA Tournaments than Tennessee is shot down when one looks a little bit at it.

Memphis' first three tournament appearances were as an independent. In 1954-1955 Alabama went 12-2 in the SEC and 19-5 overall, Kentucky got the bid. Alabama missed the NCAA that year because we were a one bid league. Memphis got in the tournament with 17 wins as an independent. Which team deserved to be in the NCAA more that year, Alabama or Memphis? The next year Memphis went 20-6 in the regular season as an independent and went back to the NCAA T. Out of the 26 games, 10 were against teams that were not division 1 teams, 2 of which they lost. Alabama went 21-3, 14-0 in the SEC and Kentucky still got the one SEC bid even though they finished 2nd and Alabama didn't make the NCAAT. In 1962 Memphis was 15-7 and made it. Mississippi State went 24-1, 13-1 in the SEC and Kentucky got the bid. By no possible metric did Memphis going 15-7 with a 1st round NCAA loss mean it had a better season than that 24-1 Miss State team.

In the same early tournament era Tennessee has seasons of 19-7, no bid, 20-5, no bid, 16-5, no bid, 18-5, 1st place in the SEC, no bid, and 19-3, no bid.

In actuality, Memphis had a much easier time getting into the tournament than Tennessee, because for the first 20+ years or so of the tournament, it pretty much was picking Kentucky to play in it, regardless of conference finish or overall record of other teams. Then another 10+ years of having to finish in 1st place in a much tougher conference than Memphis played in at the time once they finally got in the MVC and the NCAA went with conf champions only. Memphis has also spent the better part of the last 25+ years playing in various joke/ now defunct conferences where achieving a record that would draw a bid was much easier than we have faced. Finally, you can't ignore the rampant cheating that allowed them to reach the tournaments they did, they have lost 6 appearances and 14 NCAA tournament wins due to cheating.

 

[Rickyvol77]

The issue with claiming Memphis is somehow better because they went to more NCAA Tournaments than Tennessee is shot down when one looks a little bit at it.

Memphis' first three tournament appearances were as an independent. In 1954-1955 Alabama went 12-2 in the SEC and 19-5 overall, Kentucky got the bid. Alabama missed the NCAA that year because we were a one bid league. Memphis got in the tournament with 17 wins as an independent. Which team deserved to be in the NCAA more that year, Alabama or Memphis? The next year Memphis went 20-6 in the regular season as an independent and went back to the NCAA T. Out of the 26 games, 10 were against teams that were not division 1 teams, 2 of which they lost. Alabama went 21-3, 14-0 in the SEC and Kentucky still got the one SEC bid even though they finished 2nd and Alabama didn't make the NCAAT. In 1962 Memphis was 15-7 and made it. Mississippi State went 24-1, 13-1 in the SEC and Kentucky got the bid. By no possible metric did Memphis going 15-7 with a 1st round NCAA loss mean it had a better season than that 24-1 Miss State team.

In the same early tournament era Tennessee has seasons of 19-7, no bid, 20-5, no bid, 16-5, no bid, 18-5, 1st place in the SEC, no bid, and 19-3, no bid.

In actuality, Memphis had a much easier time getting into the tournament than Tennessee, because for the first 20+ years or so of the tournament, it pretty much was picking Kentucky to play in it, regardless of conference finish or overall record of other teams. Then another 10+ years of having to finish in 1st place in a much tougher conference than Memphis played in at the time once they finally got in the MVC and the NCAA went with conf champions only. Memphis has also spent the better part of the last 25+ years playing in various joke/ now defunct conferences where achieving a record that would draw a bid was much easier than we have faced. Finally, you can't ignore the rampant cheating that allowed them to reach the tournaments they did, they have lost 6 appearances and 14 NCAA tournament wins due to cheating.

Exactly. This is the same logic that shoots down the idiots who think Boise St is an elite program in football bc of their “top ten alltime” winning pct. when in reality they have like a .28% winning pct vs P5 teams and have won less 1-A games than Tulane

 

[aurabass]

I doubt anyone here has forgotten the 2007-08 Memphis team. Memphis started the season 26–0, and played then TENNESSE ranked #2 In a highly anticipated No. 1 vs. No. 2 matchup covered by ESPN Gameday, TENNESSEE beat the top-ranked Tigers at home 66–62. becoming #1
Tennessee had lost At Texas and AT Kentucky prior to the game with #1 Memphis in Memphis
I certainly thought that was a very big game - and I believe that was a common belief among UT fans
Our #1 ranking was very short-lived that year when #18 Vanderbilt beat us 3 days later in Nashville.

Memphis went on to a 38-2 season falling only to Kansas in overtime in the National Championship game.
Yes, Memphis was forced to vacate those wins and by rights, I guess we should vacate our win over Memphis because it was later discovered that Derrik Roses SAT score had been voided by the educational testing service and Rose's brother traveled on the bus and plane with the team.
Personally I don't believe Tennessee's win to reach #1 was tainted in any way. The voided SAT score had nothing to do with the quality of his play nor did the fact his brother rode along to the games on the team's transportation.

Calipari moved on to Kentucky at the end of that season taking his Memphis recruits with him and Memphis was left to pay for the Rose/SAT problem with 3 years of probation while the Calipari roadshow moved on leaving a 2nd team (UMASS being he first) in the NCAA penalty box.

So how much is our win over #1 Memphis in Memphis diminished by any and all of this? I thought it was great then and I still do despite the SAT and Rose's brothers rides on team transportation. Neither of those things diminishes what the 2007-08 Vols did in Memphis for me.

 

[Roustabout]

I don’t like have 10 days off between games

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

I doubt anyone here has forgotten the 2007-08 Memphis team. Memphis started the season 26–0, and played then TENNESSE ranked #2 In a highly anticipated No. 1 vs. No. 2 matchup covered by ESPN Gameday, TENNESSEE beat the top-ranked Tigers at home 66–62. becoming #1
Tennessee had lost At Texas and AT Kentucky prior to the game with #1 Memphis in Memphis
I certainly thought that was a very big game - and I believe that was a common belief among UT fans
Our #1 ranking was very short-lived that year when #18 Vanderbilt beat us 3 days later in Nashville.

Memphis went on to a 38-2 season falling only to Kansas in overtime in the National Championship game.
Yes, Memphis was forced to vacate those wins and by rights, I guess we should vacate our win over Memphis because it was later discovered that Derrik Roses SAT score had been voided by the educational testing service and Rose's brother traveled on the bus and plane with the team.
Personally I don't believe Tennessee's win to reach #1 was tainted in any way. The voided SAT score had nothing to do with the quality of his play nor did the fact his brother rode along to the games on the team's transportation.

Calipari moved on to Kentucky at the end of that season taking his Memphis recruits with him and Memphis was left to pay for the Rose/SAT problem with 3 years of probation while the Calipari roadshow moved on leaving a 2nd team (UMASS being he first) in the NCAA penalty box.

So how much is our win over #1 Memphis in Memphis diminished by any and all of this? I thought it was great then and I still do despite the SAT and Rose's brothers rides on team transportation. Neither of those things diminishes what the 2007-08 Vols did in Memphis for me.

This is an asinine take and makes little sense to support your overall argument. Of course no reasonable b-ball fan would say UT's win was "tainted"...lol...in this case, UT gets extra credit for beating a team which cheated to stack the deck in their favor as they ascended to #1 yet the Vols beat them anyway.

Suggest you work on your strawman arguments before posting again.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I doubt anyone here has forgotten the 2007-08 Memphis team. Memphis started the season 26–0, and played then TENNESSE ranked #2 In a highly anticipated No. 1 vs. No. 2 matchup covered by ESPN Gameday, TENNESSEE beat the top-ranked Tigers at home 66–62. becoming #1
Tennessee had lost At Texas and AT Kentucky prior to the game with #1 Memphis in Memphis
I certainly thought that was a very big game - and I believe that was a common belief among UT fans
Our #1 ranking was very short-lived that year when #18 Vanderbilt beat us 3 days later in Nashville.

Memphis went on to a 38-2 season falling only to Kansas in overtime in the National Championship game.
Yes, Memphis was forced to vacate those wins and by rights, I guess we should vacate our win over Memphis because it was later discovered that Derrik Roses SAT score had been voided by the educational testing service and Rose's brother traveled on the bus and plane with the team.
Personally I don't believe Tennessee's win to reach #1 was tainted in any way. The voided SAT score had nothing to do with the quality of his play nor did the fact his brother rode along to the games on the team's transportation.

Calipari moved on to Kentucky at the end of that season taking his Memphis recruits with him and Memphis was left to pay for the Rose/SAT problem with 3 years of probation while the Calipari roadshow moved on leaving a 2nd team (UMASS being he first) in the NCAA penalty box.

So how much is our win over #1 Memphis in Memphis diminished by any and all of this? I thought it was great then and I still do despite the SAT and Rose's brothers rides on team transportation. Neither of those things diminishes what the 2007-08 Vols did in Memphis for me.

and i think you pointed out that even Tiger High's best team in history couldnt beat UT in Memphis....Little brother will ALWAYS be meaningless little brother

 

[aurabass]

This is an asinine take and makes little sense to support your overall argument. Of course no reasonable b-ball fan would say UT's win was "tainted"...lol...in this case, UT gets extra credit for beating a team which cheated to stack the deck in their favor as they ascended to #1 yet the Vols beat them anyway. Suggest you work on your strawman arguments before posting again.

I cannot take your advice with much seriousness since the entire "let us put down Memphis" side of this thread is predicated on how little regard we should show them.
Of course, we celebrated the win over Memphis in 2007-08 despite the vacated season as we should have.
I love it when we beat Memphis because they are a tough opponent and I don't care at all that the season was vacated - it doesn't diminish the win in the least for me.
I guess I did need the BLUE FONT on tainted but I thought the sarcasm was too obvious for that.
The argument is stated exactly as I wished it to be - no extra work on it is required.

 

[aurabass]

and i think you pointed out that even Tiger High's best team in history couldnt beat UT in Memphis....Little brother will ALWAYS be meaningless little brother

I am sorry you find the 2007-08 win over a Memphis team that made it to the Championship so MEANINGLESS.
That win is far from meaningless to me - in fact it remains one of my fondest memories of Tennessee Basketball
Since the 1999-2000 season there have been 13 "meaningless" games vs Memphis 7 of them decided by 5 points or less

• TENN VS MEMPHIS SINCE 2000 7-6
• 2018-19 FedEx W 102 – 92 rk 3 WON BY 10
• 2012-13 TBA L 80-85 LOST BY 5
• 2011-12 MAUI L 97-99 2OT LOST BY 2
• Game 2 Fed Ex L 51-69 ranked 8 LOST BY 18
• 2010-11 TBA W 104 -84 ranked 21 WON BY 20
• 2009-10 FedEX W 66-59 rk 14 WON BY 5
• 2008-09 TBA L 52-54 ranked 22 LOST BY 2
• 2007-08 FedEx W 66-62 1 vs 2 WON BY 4
• 2006-07 TBA W 76-58 ranked 16 WON BY 18
• 2005-06 FedEx L 79-88 ranked 4 LOST BY 9
• 2001-02 FedEx L 69-71 LOST BY 2
• 2000-01 TBA W 86-76 RK6 WON BY 10
• 1999-00 TBA W 74-69 RK 13 WON BY 5
• 
  
• 7 games decided by 5 or less 3 wins and 4 losses 1 2OT game
• 3 games decided by 9 or 10 2 wins and 1 loss
• 3 games decided by over 10 2 Wins & 1 loss
• Ranked = Memphis RK= Tennessee

This "meaningless series has provided some very close entertaining contests.

 

[VolArmy74]

I doubt anyone here has forgotten the 2007-08 Memphis team. Memphis started the season 26–0, and played then TENNESSE ranked #2 In a highly anticipated No. 1 vs. No. 2 matchup covered by ESPN Gameday, TENNESSEE beat the top-ranked Tigers at home 66–62. becoming #1
Tennessee had lost At Texas and AT Kentucky prior to the game with #1 Memphis in Memphis
I certainly thought that was a very big game - and I believe that was a common belief among UT fans
Our #1 ranking was very short-lived that year when #18 Vanderbilt beat us 3 days later in Nashville.

Memphis went on to a 38-2 season falling only to Kansas in overtime in the National Championship game.
Yes, Memphis was forced to vacate those wins and by rights, I guess we should vacate our win over Memphis because it was later discovered that Derrik Roses SAT score had been voided by the educational testing service and Rose's brother traveled on the bus and plane with the team.
Personally I don't believe Tennessee's win to reach #1 was tainted in any way. The voided SAT score had nothing to do with the quality of his play nor did the fact his brother rode along to the games on the team's transportation.

Calipari moved on to Kentucky at the end of that season taking his Memphis recruits with him and Memphis was left to pay for the Rose/SAT problem with 3 years of probation while the Calipari roadshow moved on leaving a 2nd team (UMASS being he first) in the NCAA penalty box.

So how much is our win over #1 Memphis in Memphis diminished by any and all of this? I thought it was great then and I still do despite the SAT and Rose's brothers rides on team transportation. Neither of those things diminishes what the 2007-08 Vols did in Memphis for me.

You can vacate wins, not losses. So as was pointed out, beating them while they were playing an ineligible superstar was more impressive. Otherwise nothing you state here changes the fact that historically Memphis has had a much easier path to the NCAA tournament than we have, especially so the first 40 or so years of it. They have had a much easier overall schedule, having only played in what most considered a good conference for a handful of years. They have been stripped of a ton of appearances and wins in the post season because even with their schedule advantages they were unable to avoid serious cheating issues.

They have fewer non tainted/voided tournament appearances and non tainted wins than we do in spite of all the advantages they enjoyed, especially in their early days when the NCAA always picked Kentucky from the SEC regardless of how good other teams were and then when the only way to get picked was to beat Kentucky for the regular season SEC title. Memphis faced that kind of competition from Louisville only after the NCAA expanded the field.

 

[aurabass]

You can vacate wins, not losses. So as was pointed out, beating them while they were playing an ineligible superstar was more impressive. Otherwise nothing you state here changes the fact that historically Memphis has had a much easier path to the NCAA tournament than we have, especially so the first 40 or so years of it. They have had a much easier overall schedule, having only played in what most considered a good conference for a handful of years. They have been stripped of a ton of appearances and wins in the post season because even with their schedule advantages they were unable to avoid serious cheating issues.

They have fewer non tainted/voided tournament appearances and non tainted wins than we do in spite of all the advantages they enjoyed, especially in their early days when the NCAA always picked Kentucky from the SEC regardless of how good other teams were and then when the only way to get picked was to beat Kentucky for the regular season SEC title. Memphis faced that kind of competition from Louisville only after the NCAA expanded the field.

Are you trying to convince me that Memphis has had an easier path to the NCAA tourney than Tennessee?
Well, you can stop now. I am fully conscious of the differences in our programs.
Nothing in what I have posted approaches any argument that Memphis is the superior program to Tennessee.
My only argument is with those who seem to wish to paint Memphis as a "meaningless" opponent. Our games with Memphis have been competitive and enjoyable and I see no sense in putting down a ranked opponent when either win or lose it is better to have faced a highly regarded opponent.

 

[BruisedOrange]

Students flopping for the TV cameras before the game would be great. Penny's a joke that should be laughed at. Someone should a make "flopping" instructional video and use only last season's Memphis game tapes for all the examples of the different styles and techniques.

I can't believe you just called me a racist, basspond!

[practicing my online flopping technique]

 

[Mapdude55]

oh please give me a break...playing a midmajor who cheats and has never won anything with a mediocre coach with a terrible record is not "the biggest game"...

I can clearly see that you rode the short bus to school when you were younger....

 

[EarthBoundMisfit]

LMAO....they vacated the only two deep runs they made, they didnt even count...but nice try....Memphis is a trash midmajor program who has never done ANYTHING...again...

no titles in ANY sport, cheating, nothing

They couldnt hold Tennessee's jock

Memphis has 26 appearances...UT 22.
More Elite 8's, Final Four, and more championship appearances.
Memphis IS a major team in men's basketball.
We have been since our Missouri Valley Conference days, and Metro Conference days.
Can't hold UT's jock?
You do know we've won 4 of the last 5 in basketball right? (3 to Josh Pastner ROFLMAO)

 

[EarthBoundMisfit]

11-15 vs UT

2 of 3 Final Fours are VACATED
5 Sweet 16's are VACATED

But that NIT Championship is sweet!

still have more final fours, elite 8s, and championship appearances...