Baffling Barnhart comment about Fulmer

#26
#26
BJSforVols said:
Toughness and disicpline are two different attributes. I agree that we have had no disipline without Coach Cut, but I think toughness has been a trait of UT that has not disappeared.
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You're dead on. When Cutty left he took his discipline with him.
 
#27
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hatvol96 said:
I like you Jake. That said, I find it tough to believe you're gullible enough to fall for that sham. You saw how much his players care for Fulmer on Saturday. All that "family" babble is so much crap.
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Gotta disagree Hat. You make a valid point but I think the family atmosphere was a de-motivator in that game due to Fulmer's bitterness about the situation.
 
#29
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hatvol96 said:
Once he's no longer the coach at UT, I am perfectly comfortable rooting for Fulmer to lose any and every game he coaches for the rest of his life.
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You remind me of some guys out there that cant wait to get rid of a girlfriend and once they do they cant quit talking about her. You're not alone on that either. I just dont understand. He is gone so be it. I'm done with him once he is no longer on the sideline.
 
#31
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gainesvol82 said:
Gotta disagree Hat. You make a valid point but I think the family atmosphere was a de-motivator in that game due to Fulmer's bitterness about the situation.
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Agree. I think it was an attitude from the players of we don't care for UT due to the way they've treated our family.
 
#32
#32
Fulmer last week he told me it is hard to imagine not coaching somewhere for the first time in 40 years
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Um I say 35 because it has been a few since he has and he has taken a few years off in my book...Sorry had to...On with the thread please
 
#33
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VolBeef88 said:
You remind me of some guys out there that cant wait to get rid of a girlfriend and once they do they cant quit talking about her. You're not alone on that either. I just dont understand. He is gone so be it. I'm done with him once he is no longer on the sideline.
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:clapping:
 
#34
#34
VolBeef88 said:
You remind me of some guys out there that cant wait to get rid of a girlfriend and once they do they cant quit talking about her. You're not alone on that either. I just dont understand. He is gone so be it. I'm done with him once he is no longer on the sideline.
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He hasn't suffered enough for my taste yet. His pious, Bible thumping a$$ deserves a string of 3-9s at some backwater outpost to expose the fact he's really just a rotund Larry Coker or a Dixie fried Lloyd Carr. Then, I'll be content.
 
#35
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hatvol96 said:
He hasn't suffered enough for my taste yet. His pious, Bible thumping a$$ deserves a string of 3-9s at some backwater outpost to expose the fact he's really just a rotund Larry Coker or a Dixie fried Lloyd Carr. Then, I'll be content.
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I bet your ex girlfriends hat you. But hell, most of mine do to.
 
#37
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BJSforVols said:
Toughness and disicpline are two different attributes. I agree that we have had no disipline without Coach Cut, but I think toughness has been a trait of UT that has not disappeared.
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Toughness is pushing people around on the line of scrimmage. When's the last time we did that on a regular basis -- on either side of the line? For all these records in the weight room, we've generally been a soft football team for years.
 
#42
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Vercingetorix said:
Toughness is pushing people around on the line of scrimmage. When's the last time we did that on a regular basis -- on either side of the line? For all these records in the weight room, we've generally been a soft football team for years.
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To me, the inky Johnson hit, the Eric Berry hits, and even the Johnathan Crompton hits when Ainge was still here are signs of toughness. Pushing the line around is a sign of slown and/or low strength, but not necessarily toughness. Some of the toughest persons I've seen were pushed around a lot. They were tough though, because they took it and kept on going without quiting.
 
#43
#43
BJSforVols said:
To me, the inky Johnson hit, the Eric Berry hits, and even the Johnathan Crompton hits when Ainge was still here are signs of toughness. Pushing the line around is a sign of slown and/or low strength, but not necessarily toughness. Some of the toughest persons I've seen were pushed around a lot. They were tough though, because they took it and kept on going without quiting.
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Two DBs and a QB. Great. If that's what we have to point to as exemplars of toughness at Tennessee now, it's no wonder we don't win anymore.
 
#44
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Vercingetorix said:
Two DBs and a QB. Great. If that's what we have to point to as exemplars of toughness at Tennessee now, it's no wonder we don't win anymore.
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Jared Mayo
Rico McCoy
Ayers and so on.


We're bad, and we have problems, but toughness is not one of our problems.
 
#45
#45
BJSforVols said:
Jared Mayo
Rico McCoy
Ayers and so on.


We're bad, and we have problems, but toughness is not one of our problems.
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We are clearly using the word "toughness" to mean two different things. Hard hitting is great, but the game is won and lost up in the trenches. That's what makes the difference between Rico McCoy's hard hit being for a four-yard gain or a two-yard loss. That's where toughness counts the most, and by and large we've been soft along both lines for years.
 
#46
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Vercingetorix said:
We are clearly using the word "toughness" to mean two different things. Hard hitting is great, but the game is won and lost up in the trenches. That's what makes the difference between Rico McCoy's hard hit being for a four-yard gain or a two-yard loss. That's where toughness counts the most, and by and large we've been soft along both lines for years.
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I think he is talking more about aggressiveness. Our team has been accused of "quitting" on several occasions and that is not a trait of a tough team. Being referred to as "quitters" should anger them to the point that there's no doubt about their toughness. That hasn't happened.
 
#47
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Vercingetorix said:
We are clearly using the word "toughness" to mean two different things. Hard hitting is great, but the game is won and lost up in the trenches. That's what makes the difference between Rico McCoy's hard hit being for a four-yard gain or a two-yard loss. That's where toughness counts the most, and by and large we've been soft along both lines for years.
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Agreed on both counts. we are using toughness to mean two different things, and I agree with you on games are won in the trenches as well. (I was a center, so you will never see me argue against that.)

I think we can also agree that our O-Line play has been terrible, and our D-Line has been average at best. I think it's due to poor line schemes and slow reaction rather than toughness though. I think we agree on the team play, but differ on the usage of the word "toughness."
 
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hatvol96 said:
My enemies don't cease to be my enemies just because they are out of sight.
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I agree with your assessment of Barnhart, but I am a bit baffled as to why you have such bitterness toward Fulmer. He is not the worst coach we have had, nor has he done anything immoral, illegal or unethical to my knowledge. Hatred seems to be an awfully strong emotion toward just a coach. I reserve hatred for someone who truly deserves it by being despicable. Of course my definition of hatred may not match yours.
 
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