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#53
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madtownvol said:
I find it interesting how so many are coming up with complex rationalizations to avoid a fairly obvious conclusion about a coaching failure.

We can test this proposition with a simple thought experiment:

Why is it that only the Lady Vol team is getting stuck with all these greedy immature, bad apples who don't care about their level of play and have no responsible adult guidance in their lives and are clearly on the path to hell. Just bad luck? And are LSU, SC, Vandy, UCLA, UConn etc, who are playing the same NIL/portal game and have somehow dodged this problem, just super duper lucky or blessed by a higher power perhaps?

I mean Kim Mulkey built a championship team around Angel freakin' Reese who has to pay a surcharge for all the baggage she brings to a team and CKC can't somehow manage a Janiah Barker?
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THANK YOU. I’m sick of hearing how lazy and unmotivated our players are. It’s the coach!
 
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vols90 said:
THANK YOU. I’m sick of hearing how lazy and unmotivated our players are. It’s the coach!
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The players are lazy. I agree with you that the coaching is worrying, but I'm certainly not going to sound like I am a basketball officianado like some on here. So yes, the coaching looks like a concern, but you can't say the players are not making stupid decisions on the court. The bad passes, the terrible shots from selfish play. This team does not play like one. Yes, Caldwell needs to figure that out, but the players are certainly not helping.
 
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Flamparadiddle said:
The players are lazy. I agree with you that the coaching is worrying, but I'm certainly not going to sound like I am a basketball officianado like some on here. So yes, the coaching looks like a concern, but you can't say the players are not making stupid decisions on the court. The bad passes, the terrible shots from selfish play. This team does not play like one. Yes, Caldwell needs to figure that out, but the players are certainly not helping.
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And don't give me the, "she's lost the team crap." Maybe she has, but if these players are rebelling, that's on them. Have more pride in your game instead of looking like a selfish, entitled athlete.
 
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Lots of blame to go around - Coaching, immaturity, poor chemistry, selfishness, attitude, character, overrated recruits, and the list goes on…. Bottom line - the coach is responsible for all of this, and by extension, the Athletic Director. I, for one, was excited and encouraged by what I saw last season and was certain the future was bright…This season might have just been the perfect storm, certainly from a player attitude perspective.. Coach whiffed on this - but hopefully, just a painful learning experience. She may want to seek counsel from Coach Barnes, a master at recruiting kids that fit”the culture.”
I expect Coach will be given another year to right the ship and put the program on a positive trajectory. If this doesn’t happen then a new coach will be in charge for the ‘27-‘28 season. Hope this isn’t the case…
 
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VolXr1 said:
Getting rid of Barker & Spearman will help more than anything. It’s funny they played almost a complete game against OU without Barker. She may score decent some games but her laziness, terrible defense, and awful attitude hurts more than any amount of points she'll ever score. Reason she's been on 3 teams in 3yrs. Seriously think UCLA would've let her walk if she helped any at all? They dont seem to be missing her at all.. Lol.. a team is only good as it's weakest link & it’s her. Much rather have
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VolXr1 said:
Barker’s attitude is horrific. We need to look more carefully at the player who transfers every year. There is an obvious problem when they can’t get along anywhere. She’s a hard player to get behind as a fan. My guess is a low wnba pick if one at all. Anyone know what happened to get her left behind for the OK game? I figured running her mouth
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AllVols3 said:
The coach doesn't make the stupid passes. Do you think CRB thinks it's his fault when we turn it over? What his press conference, he flat says we turn it over to much, because we dont value the ball. I disagree with you .
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Rick Barnes has always, ALWAYS, emphasized basic fundamentals of basketball. Passing drills are a big part of his practices. So, if Rick says that they’re turning it over too much, at least half the blame falls on Rick. Maybe it is actually stupid, silly decision making instead of a “bad pass”. Again, the question begs. , is CKC teaching or not teaching fundamentals and basketball situational awareness? Either way, blame falls back on her somewhat.
 
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ScreamingEagleVol said:
Rick Barnes has always, ALWAYS, emphasized basic fundamentals of basketball. Passing drills are a big part of his practices. So, if Rick says that they’re turning it over too much, at least half the blame falls on Rick. Maybe it is actually stupid, silly decision making instead of a “bad pass”. Again, the question begs. , is CKC teaching or not teaching fundamentals and basketball situational awareness? Either way, blame falls back on her somewhat.
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Thats stupid. Coaches coach, players make plays or they don't . The only fault of the coach is leaving them on the floor . Maybe next year Kim will be able/willing to do that. So I'll agree some of it falls on the coach if they allow it to keep happening. It’s hard when you upperclassmen are the ones turning it over. Cooper, Barker, See, and Nya have 247 To's combined . When our freshman PG has 36. So you're top 4(thought to be) best players are the problem.
 
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birdie74 said:
Bottom line - the coach is responsible for all of this, and by extension, the Athletic Director.
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Absolutely!!!! and the reason fault lies here is that it is 100% their responsibility and within their power to change it!!! Even things that most would think is not within their power.... AD and Coach are instilled with the power to fix things
 
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AllVols3 said:
Thats stupid. Coaches coach, players make plays or they don't . The only fault of the coach is leaving them on the floor . Maybe next year Kim will be able/willing to do that. So I'll agree some of it falls on the coach if they allow it to keep happening. It’s hard when you upperclassmen are the ones turning it over. Cooper, Barker, See, and Nya have 247 To's combined . When our freshman PG has 36. So you're top 4(thought to be) best players are the problem.
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Riiiigght…. So if coaches coach, why doesn’t our coach (Caldwell) make adjustments? Real time? Halftime? Kobe Bryant said the reason he likes the way European players are developed over American player development is because they are taught and coached the basic fundamentals of basketball and it’s drilled into them. Spacing, footwork, passing and IQ. You, I, and thousand's of others have watched the Lady Vols this season, especially the latter half. Lazy ball movement (passing), lazy defense (spacing), lazy half-assed dribbling (footwork) and poor shot selection and defensive positioning and hustle (IQ). Tell me again that doesn’t fall heavily toward the coach and lack of coaching. I’ll wait…..
 
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glv98 said:
Kim actually cited LSUs halftime adjustments in her presser. I guess it’s fine to just say more of same at halftime if you’ve played well. But if you have no counter adjustments and no ability to control your teams mindset down the stretch, you see the result.
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The seeming inability to make in game adjustments is a large part of the problem imo.
 
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RetroVol said:
Nope. Go back and look at post #43 in the Third Quarter Swoon thread. Wasn't a problem last year. Or apparently at Marshall or Glenville State. This is, like so many other things we are seeing, a singular phenomenon in Kim's career.

As I've said before, she's going to have to make decisions in the off season which will have to account for a one-time deviation in her results AND the fact she was going through the SEC for the second time AND this particular group of players plus Ruby's dismissal AND that it was her first year coaching as a new mom and likely her mother's lessened availability to help establish the family atmosphere she has talked about. Lots of variables. Her system is a big one, but not the only one.

I'm going to be watching for two things: 1. Will she be able to get any more quality players either as '26 recruits or through the portal? How much has this season undercut her sales pitch? and 2. What hints will we get through the summer about changes in approach and how will they pan out next year? Last summer we got statements indicating she was worried about 3 point shooting (proved to be appropriate), that the freshmen were leading the way in effort in the drills (seems portentous in retrospect), that she wasn't trying to put in as much of her system before the start of the season (???), and... seems like there was something else, but I'm going blank. Anyway, my point is that Kim doesn't say a lot -- she keeps her cards hidden for the most part -- but what she does say generally seems to be an honest and incisive statement about where she sees her team and the coming year. So, what will we get this summer?
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I like your use of the term "quality players". I've read many posts on this Forum regarding how much talent this team has compared to last year. They are generally taller, quicker and can jump higher thus, perhaps, more talented athletes. But, I am not buying they are more talented basketball players. How can they be when we continue to see such a lack of development of the unique skills associated with the game of basketball? All that to say, I'd be interested in your description of a quality basketball player? Also, who would win a hypothetical game between this year's team and last year's?
 
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1morevol said:
I like your use of the term "quality players". I've read many posts on this Forum regarding how much talent this team has compared to last year. They are generally taller, quicker and can jump higher thus, perhaps, more talented athletes. But, I am not buying they are more talented basketball players. How can they be when we continue to see such a lack of development of the unique skills associated with the game of basketball? All that to say, I'd be interested in your description of a quality basketball player? Also, who would win a hypothetical game between this year's team and last year's?
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Hmm... Interesting questions. "Quality" players is part athleticism, part skills, part attitude, and part "fit" with a coach and system. Not very specific, I know, but there it is. I will say that, based on what I've seen of them -- their attitudes and approach -- I think Big Oh and Gabby will be quality players for us. And we've got quality players returning, hopefully. Keep 'em, add some more, and I'll be looking forward to see what Kim and her staff do next year.

Lasty year's team or this year's? On any given night, last year's. They were more likely to show up on any given night.
 
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RetroVol said:
Hmm... Interesting questions. "Quality" players is part athleticism, part skills, part attitude, and part "fit" with a coach and system. Not very specific, I know, but there it is. I will say that, based on what I've seen of them -- their attitudes and approach -- I think Big Oh and Gabby will be quality players for us. And we've got quality players returning, hopefully. Keep 'em, add some more, and I'll be looking forward to see what Kim and her staff do next year.

Lasty year's team or this year's? On any given night, last year's. They were more likely to show up on any given night.
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Absolutely, and great players have an abundance of the things you mentioned. Yep, to last year's team.
 
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TnVolsX4 said:
We have athletes. Just not basketball players.
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If you only know how to coach one way there are no adjustments that can be made. She was brought in to coach her “system”. There are no adjustments that can be made. If she makes adjustments that means her system and by extension herself is not going to work.
 
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Decker Moss said:
If you only know how to coach one way there are no adjustments that can be made. She was brought in to coach her “system”. There are no adjustments that can be made. If she makes adjustments that means her system and by extension herself is not going to work.
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I believe the adjustment would be quit standing around watching someone dribble and move to get open. When boxing out don't just stay in contact with the player go get the dang ball.
 
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ScreamingEagleVol said:
Riiiigght…. So if coaches coach, why doesn’t our coach (Caldwell) make adjustments? Real time? Halftime? Kobe Bryant said the reason he likes the way European players are developed over American player development is because they are taught and coached the basic fundamentals of basketball and it’s drilled into them. Spacing, footwork, passing and IQ. You, I, and thousand's of others have watched the Lady Vols this season, especially the latter half. Lazy ball movement (passing), lazy defense (spacing), lazy half-assed dribbling (footwork) and poor shot selection and defensive positioning and hustle (IQ). Tell me again that doesn’t fall heavily toward the coach and lack of coaching. I’ll wait…..
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Thats all true, but there's times where they dont make thise mistakes. So that to me is a player problem. Cooper and NBA have played harder since CKC challenged them. Both still have lapses in effort and basketball IQ. Zee and Barker at thus point are hopeless. Again that seems to me to be a player problem. She can bench them and imo she should, It's a tough decision (this late in season) for the coach. I thought we played better without Barker, except for Zee. If you bench her too, is it fair to the others? It gives them even less chance to win.
 
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