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GAVol said:
Don't underestimate Bachman. She can raise money with the best of them and if Pain stays out she'll get the Tea Party support. She's not my first choice but I think she is proving that she's deeper and more formidable than Palin.
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i think she'd be a disaster against obama because she is a religious wackjob. though she would bring out the base. why oh why didn't daniels run?
 
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bam15 said:
While Ronnie may be intelligent, has the crew of die-hard supporters, and produces books in droves, he doesn't have a chance and never did.
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Agreed. That doesn't negate some of his policy prescriptions though.

On the shipping jobs overseas, he and others advocate more favorable tax treatment of revenues earned overseas. Currently, multinationals are incentivized to keep profits off-shore. 60 minutes had an interesting look at the issue about 6 months ago or so.

Of course, this idea would be demonized as "tax cuts for the rich and big corporations" so they don't stand a chance - even though they would encourage domestic job growth.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Lack of enthusiasm? Considering he is leading in polls over Obama, I would look at your own canidate as an exmaple of lack of enthusiasm
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:yes:

The Bin Laden bump is gone and he's back under 50% approval.

I guess he'd just say it's a bump in the road...
 
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volinbham said:
Haven't seen it - he gave them some new ammo with his "yeah I guess the shovel ready jobs weren't shovel ready" comment at his "economic" summit.
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Its basically that Obama says the unemployment spike (or at least the sudden slow down in growth) is a "bump in the road" and it has some people lying down in the road getting up and saying they aren't a bump.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Its basically that Obama says the unemployment spike (or at least the sudden slow down in growth) is a "bump in the road" and it has some people lying down in the road getting up and saying they aren't a bump.
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Ouch - clever.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Its basically that Obama says the unemployment spike (or at least the sudden slow down in growth) is a "bump in the road" and it has some people lying down in the road getting up and saying they aren't a bump.
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Saw it yesterday and agree... very well done.
 
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One of the best political ads I've seen in years. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP2GsRzROF8[/youtube]
 
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volinbham said:
Ouch - clever.
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I thought so. I don't think it is getting a lot of airplay because it is so time sensitive. Obviously, if unempl is still high come next summer we will see it or similar. But right now its just linked to that one comment and so kind of topical. Yes, though, it was clever.
 
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Thought this comment on the YouTube site was entertaining

This vid FAILS to mention that this Depression was created by 1) BUSH'S tax cuts to the rich that Obama wisely extended and by 2) Bush's repeal of the Glass Steagall Act that separated commercial and investment banks preventing the former from making risky bets with their customers' deposits. Thankfully Obama signed tough financial reform laws that more bailouts impossible and created tons of jobs at mom and pop dollar stores as people struggle to stretch their unemployment checks. G0bama 2012!!
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The tax cuts for the rich caused this depression (thought it was a recession) but Obama was "wise" to extend them? Brilliant.

Also, I think the Glass/Stegall history lesson here is wrong too. Anyway - GObama!
 
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volinbham said:
Thought this comment on the YouTube site was entertaining



The tax cuts for the rich caused this depression (thought it was a recession) but Obama was "wise" to extend them? Brilliant.

Also, I think the Glass/Stegall history lesson here is wrong too. Anyway - GObama!
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Average Youtube idiots, BUT...

Many people seem to have the wrong idea here. Is growth out of the recession slow under Obama? Yes. Did he get us there? Ummm... No. The credit market was far too easy, but anybody who believes that deregulation wasn't a significant, direct cause of the mess we've been in is full of ****.

It baffles me how so many people can analyze that situation and be so willing to point only one finger, and it always seems to come down to either credit became to easy to get, or rampant deregulation happened... Anybody who says only one of those things is to blame is being a giant dillhole.
 
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milohimself said:
Average Youtube idiots, BUT...

Many people seem to have the wrong idea here. Is growth out of the recession slow under Obama? Yes. Did he get us there? Ummm... No.
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Welcome to political reality. Background tends not to matter nearly as much as the reality on the ground at the time someone is in office.
 
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milohimself said:
For sure. I've been on a complete tear on material about the financial crisis as of late.

Fun times.
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Go watch Too Big to Fail on HBO. I'm sure there's some embellishment, but the movie leaves the impression that we were a weekend away from the end of society.
 
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My problem with the R candidates is, they've shown no indication of where they think regulation becomes necessary. The only conclusion I can draw from that until I hear otherwise, is that the objectivism train is still rolling strong, in spite of one of its biggest conductors (Greenspan) jumping off. I don't get it.

I'm against government being a player in nearly all markets, but there has to come a point where laws keeping business of any variety in check in some way has to come into play. Effing volumes can be written about why that is an absolute necessity, yet all I hear is the same "all regulation and all taxes bad!" chorus. Makes me want to bash my head against a wall.
 
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GAVol said:
Go watch Too Big to Fail on HBO. I'm sure there's some embellishment, but the movie leaves the impression that we were a weekend away from the end of society.
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I have yet to see it, but I'm pretty familiar with basically the whole story at this point -- to put it in context, as I'm sure you saw, it caused a few people who we thought of as the greatest financial and economic minds of our time to act completely against their own beliefs, because the alternative supposedly would have quite literally killed the US.
 
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milohimself said:
I have yet to see it, but I'm pretty familiar with basically the whole story at this point -- to put it in context, as I'm sure you saw, it caused a few people who we thought of as the greatest financial and economic minds of our time to act completely against their own beliefs, because the alternative supposedly would have quite literally killed the US.
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The most unbelievable part of the movie . . . Tim Geitner has the names of the major investment banks written on note cards laid out on his desk and he literally matches them up and then calls their CEOs and tells them to cut a deal and merge.
 
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milohimself said:
Average Youtube idiots, BUT...

Many people seem to have the wrong idea here. Is growth out of the recession slow under Obama? Yes. Did he get us there? Ummm... No. The credit market was far too easy, but anybody who believes that deregulation wasn't a significant, direct cause of the mess we've been in is full of ****.

It baffles me how so many people can analyze that situation and be so willing to point only one finger, and it always seems to come down to either credit became to easy to get, or rampant deregulation happened... Anybody who says only one of those things is to blame is being a giant dillhole.
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It wasn't Bush's fault either - it was an outgrowth of many factors and many players including consumers.

For every R blaming Obama there's D blaming Bush - including Obama. His argument about "failed policies that got us into this mess" is an utter joke.

Hell, he extended the tax cuts that supposedly are the cause (according to him). Doesn't the make him extra-stooopid? No, it makes him a politician.
 
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milohimself said:
My problem with the R candidates is, they've shown no indication of where they think regulation becomes necessary. The only conclusion I can draw from that until I hear otherwise, is that the objectivism train is still rolling strong, in spite of one of its biggest conductors (Greenspan) jumping off. I don't get it.

I'm against government being a player in nearly all markets, but there has to come a point where laws keeping business of any variety in check in some way has to come into play. Effing volumes can be written about why that is an absolute necessity, yet all I hear is the same "all regulation and all taxes bad!" chorus. Makes me want to bash my head against a wall.
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Kinda like how I feel when Dems claim government programs are the answer and bash business and rich people.
 
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