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#858
#858
Tri-CitiesVol said:
Pilots/ATC/Maintenance/Ramp and Line Guys

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First flight lesson was when I was 9 with my Great Uncle, the most senior crop duster in the country. Soloed just after my 16th birthday. Private certificate 31 days thereafter. Went on to buy my first airplane at 21 (a '66 Cherokee 140), went to USMC (Navy) flight school, graduated number 1 out of 69, flew CH-53A/D/E, Presidential Support Pilot, IP in 53s, flew helicopters in EMS, oil and gas support. ATP certificate at 47, flew all over the world with a Canadian firm. Retired from UT Lifestar in 2021. Loved IMC and finished with 2254 hours in the "goo", flew in 22 countries on a recurring basis. Never had a flight violation, scratched a plane, hurt anyone and loved almost every minute of it.
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#859
#859
VolDave53 said:
First flight lesson was when I was 9 with my Great Uncle, the most senior crop duster in the country. Soloed just after my 16th birthday. Private certificate 31 days thereafter. Went on to buy my first airplane at 21 (a '66 Cherokee 140), went to USMC (Navy) flight school, graduated number 1 out of 69, flew CH-53A/D/E, Presidential Support Pilot, IP in 53s, flew helicopters in EMS, oil and gas support. ATP certificate at 47, flew all over the world with a Canadian firm. Retired from UT Lifestar in 2021. Loved IMC and finished with 2254 hours in the "goo", flew in 22 countries on a recurring basis. Never had a flight violation, scratched a plane, hurt anyone and loved almost every minute of it.
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Uh oh, if you flew for lifestar we know some of the same peoples. Nice to find another Vol helicopter pilot. Sounds like you had a fantastic career.
 
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VolDave53 said:
First flight lesson was when I was 9 with my Great Uncle, the most senior crop duster in the country. Soloed just after my 16th birthday. Private certificate 31 days thereafter. Went on to buy my first airplane at 21 (a '66 Cherokee 140), went to USMC (Navy) flight school, graduated number 1 out of 69, flew CH-53A/D/E, Presidential Support Pilot, IP in 53s, flew helicopters in EMS, oil and gas support. ATP certificate at 47, flew all over the world with a Canadian firm. Retired from UT Lifestar in 2021. Loved IMC and finished with 2254 hours in the "goo", flew in 22 countries on a recurring basis. Never had a flight violation, scratched a plane, hurt anyone and loved almost every minute of it.
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Marines brought four 53s to TYS and spent a couple weeks training in our local flying area. A Blackhawk looks silly parked next to one of those.
 
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#863
#863
SpaceCoastVol said:
Air India. This one is interesting.

No speculation on my part until the evidence is in though.
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In the video of the crash, the descent of the plane into the ground appears so smooth, almost like it was coming in for a landing. It wasn't like it was pitching all out of control or fell out of the sky.
 
#864
#864
05_never_again said:
In the video of the crash, the descent of the plane into the ground appears so smooth, almost like it was coming in for a landing. It wasn't like it was pitching all out of control or fell out of the sky.
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It had just taken off. There's a video from the airport.

1 survivor. He actually walked away
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Air India. This one is interesting.

No speculation on my part until the evidence is in though.
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That there's video of that particular flight a good time after takeoff and in the exact direction to capture the crash is curious to me.

It's not like that was an odd flight. It's a pretty busy airport but they videoed that particular flight quite a distance from the actual takeoff. Just a coincidence, I guess?
 
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#869
05_never_again said:
In the video of the crash, the descent of the plane into the ground appears so smooth, almost like it was coming in for a landing. It wasn't like it was pitching all out of control or fell out of the sky.
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Yep. And to me that says one of two things: Loss of thrust or aircraft not properly configured (flaps incorrectly set or moved to UP too early). I think the first of these is unlikely as a dual engine failure is practically unheard of, and I didn't see any loss of symmetry as the airplane moved forward. (At takeoff thrust, had they lost a single engine there would be noticeable yaw until it was controlled - which doesn't take but a second with an experienced pilot). One theory I am reading about was that they didn't use the entire runway which has yet to be confirmed. That would be mind boggling to me, but it is a plausible explanation. Had they moved the flaps up too early, that could definitely account for the loss of lift, but I would wonder why they wouldn't have moved them back into a better lift position until they got enough airspeed to fly. And unless they were deaf and blind, they had to have had them set correctly for takeoff. Modern airplanes give you tons of warnings if the airplane isn't properly configured.

Like I said before, this one is interesting.
 
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