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General Jack

General Jack

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I'm sitting here watching Auburn playing and wondering how in the heck we're going to compete with them, much less beat them. Then I realize, maybe this will all work out in our favor.

Auburn will have a much harder time getting fired up to play us than visa-versa. They kicked our @$$ earlier this season so we have the revenge factor (although that didn't work out so well for us earlier this year...). Auburn will march into the SECCG possibly overlooking us. Even with Clausen at QB, we have too much talent to overlook.

In recent history, we have played extremely well as a big underdog, which we will be. (Florida '01, Miami '03, Georgia '04)

Also, Auburn hasn't had a poor performance all year. Its got to happen sooner or later, it does for everyone at some point. Hopefully they will come out flat against us in the SECCG.

Granted, we still have to beat KY and Vandy, well, actually, one only of them if Georgia loses, which is looking likely.

What'd ya'll think?
 
#2
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The only weakness I spotted was their LB's seem a lil slow on side to side pursuit...might attack that with TE bootlegs off play action or wr screens...they do seem a lil vulnerable on deep routes. Tenns wr speed could play a factor if we had a qb who could throw 40 yards. Other than that i agree they look solid defensively. On offense it seems they have a genius coordinating...if you blitz they kill you with rb passes...if you set a 2 deep zone they negotiate your safty with crossing routes to wr's and te's....that naturally opens up sprint draws for caddilac and brown...only way to shut this down is go to a 3-4 defense with man to man coverage. That will work IF you have very good fundamental tacklers.
 
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Originally posted by dan4vols@Nov 13, 2004 7:40 PM
only way to shut this down is go to a 3-4 defense with man to man coverage.
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Explain that one to me. Why do you want to go to a 34 defense against a physical running game like that? Seems like you'd get blown off the ball.

The good news is that Auburn has to face the #1 defense in the country next week. Win or lose, we'll have some good film to look at.
 
#4
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Originally posted by GAVol+Nov 13, 2004 8:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GAVol @ Nov 13, 2004 8:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-dan4vols@Nov 13, 2004 7:40 PM
only way to shut this down is go to a 3-4 defense with man to man coverage.
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Explain that one to me. Why do you want to go to a 34 defense against a physical running game like that? Seems like you&#39;d get blown off the ball.

The good news is that Auburn has to face the #1 defense in the country next week. Win or lose, we&#39;ll have some good film to look at. [/quote]
and hopefully they will get a little banged up after such a physical game.
 
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im thinkin a 3-4 defense would add a linebacker and take away a d lineman...adding quickness as well as probably a better tackler...even with those auburn backs....auburn doesnt run smash mouth, they run misdirections and traps...being off the ball would give you more time to react to where the balls going with a quicker better tackler....thats why i say a 3-4 would work against auburn
 
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I don&#39;t think there&#39;s any doubt that we&#39;ll have to throw some sort of junk defense at Auburn. I don&#39;t think I&#39;ve ever seen anybody utilize running backs in all the different formations that they use.

I kind of like what we did against Florida in 2001 when we ran a "Prowler" defense and had all of the d-linemen standing up and moving around prior to the snap.
 
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The Prowler was awesome. Wasn&#39;t it Henderson that was the "prowler"?
 
#8
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Yep - Big John was walking around like a 290 lb linebacker. The idea was stolen from Joe Lee Dunn, but it was a genius move that drove Florida crazy.
 
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Originally posted by dan4vols@Nov 13, 2004 6:40 PM
That will work IF you have very good fundamental tacklers.
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Which we definitely do not have, I am sorry to say.
 
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Our guys have been getting better. Whether or not they are ready to do that against Auburn is a good question... But they should have some good practice on Kentucky and Vandy.
 
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Originally posted by LadyinOrange+Nov 14, 2004 12:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LadyinOrange @ Nov 14, 2004 12:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-dan4vols@Nov 13, 2004 6:40 PM
That will work IF you have very good fundamental tacklers.
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Which we definitely do not have, I am sorry to say. [/quote]
Ain&#39;t that the truth.
 
#12
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Sure tackling will be essential, unfortunately we have not be able to do this with any consistency.

Our secondary has only made picks on balls thrown right to them (e.g. Bama game). Jason Allen had a shot at one against ND (on their last field goal drive) where he broke on the ball but didn&#39;t come up with it.

We have to force Campbell mistakes and that means interceptions. He has not struggled this year but in the past when he starts to struggle it goes down hill fast.

We will not beat this team with offense (ours is rated 55 in the country in total O). We have to keep it close and dominate on D.

I would say this is all true assuming we beat Vandy and UK but now we just have to beat one of them and we still go to the SECCG :blink:
 
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We would get killed using the Prowler against Auburn&#39;s talented oline and backs, the 3/4 would get us killed as well......blown off the ball absolutely.

Peace Cross
 
#14
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Yeah, prowler only works against a passing team with a mediocre rushing threat. It was an epic defense that day against the gators.

But, I think what GAVol was getting at was we&#39;ll need a new wrinkle, something that they aren&#39;t expecting. I&#39;m not sure what that would be, maybe press coverage on the corners, 1 deep, keeping 7 in the box plus a shadow on the TB? If we can get to Campbell earlier and often, maybe we&#39;ll get him out of a rythmn.

I don&#39;t know, but this will be a chance for Chavis to earn his salary. Call me crazy, but I think we might come up with something to slow them down.

 
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We need speed to attack the LOS and disrupt the QB-RB exchange. Get JC to thinking about us while he turns to give to one of his backs. Blitzing would help a little but then you have a tendacy of giving up a big play.

Its all on our DL&#39;s shoulders. Luckily, I think they are playing better now than they did in the first meeting.
 
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That&#39;s exactly what I was trying to say - we need to throw some kind of junk defense at them. . . I know this goes back a ways, but every time I see an offense that is "unstoppable" I always think back to the 1986 Sugar Bowl when we walked into the Super Dome as a sacrificial lamb with a no name defense and sacked Vinny Testaverde 7 times and wreaked havoc all night long in blowing out Miami 35-7.

Given our current state of affairs, I think this whole discussion is misguided. People need to stop worrying about our defense. This is a vastly improved group that has carried us this year and WILL show up to play in the SECCG. But what people forget is that half of our defense&#39;s problem against Auburn the first time was that the offense couldn&#39;t stay on the field and kept committing turnovers giving Auburn a short field. If our offense doesn&#39;t find a way to move the ball and score some points, all of the analysis in the world isn&#39;t going to matter.
 
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Believe me GA Vol, if the UT defense can hold AU to 17 or fewerr first half points, that is easily within striking distace for our offense. Problem in that first game, defense gave up 21 points before the VOL offense could even catch its breath. Its up to the defense to give the offense a good shot to wear down Auburn.
 
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Agreed, GAVol. The absolute first thing we have to worry about is turnovers, which Auburn is great at forcing. Then it will be a far more even game.
 
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as I said a 3-4 would work IF the fundamental tackling was there...no yards after 1st contact...it would work similar to the old dallas cowboys flex defense...bend a lil dont break give up 7 yards in 3 plays...dont give up the big play....you wont get blown off the ball facing traps and misdirections with 4 lb&#39;s 3 yards off the ball...thats ridiculous...theres no way auburns oline will travel 3 yards to block a quicker LB on a trap play. It would be the defense that would keep us close enough with the talent the vols have to keep the offense in striking range :twocents:
 
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Originally posted by volbrian@Nov 14, 2004 11:23 PM
Problem in that first game, defense gave up 21 points before the VOL offense could even catch its breath.
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I think you miss the point when you pin all of the blame on the defense. The defense was bad, but they were also put in a lot of bad spots by the offense. To understand just how bad the offense was in the first half against Auburn, here&#39;s the time of possession and result of our first half drives.

1) 26 seconds - Punt
2) 5:07 - FG
3) 16 seconds - Fumble
4) 2:11 - INT
5) 51 seconds - Punt
6) 2:43 - INT
7) 45 seconds - Half

Putrid :yuck:

If our offense can&#39;t at least protect the ball and eat up some time of possession, it won&#39;t matter how good or bad we play on defense.
 
#21
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Good luck, you will need it&#33; We have a top 5 defense, a top 5 offense, and no injuries&#33; Oh, and by the way, ya&#39;ll suck&#33;
 
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Can&#39;t somebody ban this a-hole&#33;? I can take opposing viewpoints, but reading "You suck" in every post has gotten really old.
 
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Originally posted by WarEagle76@Nov 15, 2004 11:42 AM
Good luck, you will need it&#33; We have a top 5 defense, a top 5 offense, and no injuries&#33; Oh, and by the way, ya&#39;ll suck&#33;
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The Eagle-Tigers still have to lace &#39;em up and show up for the game. They don&#39;t give away trophies based on potential. ;)
 
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