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Gary Danielson "I don't know if Butch has some magic pixie dust, but whatever he has, I'm buying." This was after Foreman forced the fumble into the endzone that caused a touchback. My, how the tables have turned.

Hindsight is 20/20 but after UT scored the td to make it 34-35, Butch chose to go for 1 to tie. ATM jumped offsides which would have put the ball at about the 1 yard line, but Butch declined the penalty and kicked the extra point to tie.

Doesn't most football instinct tell the road team to go for 2 and the win in that situation? Especially, from the 1???
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
Gary Danielson "I don't know if Butch has some magic pixie dust, but whatever he has, I'm buying." This was after Foreman forced the fumble into the endzone that caused a touchback. My, how the tables have turned.

Hindsight is 20/20 but after UT scored the td to make it 34-35, Butch chose to go for 1 to tie. ATM jumped offsides which would have put the ball at about the 1 yard line, but Butch declined the penalty and kicked the extra point to tie.

Doesn't most football instinct tell the road team to go for 2 and the win in that situation? Especially, from the 1???
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With our offensive line most of this year? No.
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
Gary Danielson "I don't know if Butch has some magic pixie dust, but whatever he has, I'm buying." This was after Foreman forced the fumble into the endzone that caused a touchback. My, how the tables have turned.

Hindsight is 20/20 but after UT scored the td to make it 34-35, Butch chose to go for 1 to tie. ATM jumped offsides which would have put the ball at about the 1 yard line, but Butch declined the penalty and kicked the extra point to tie.

Doesn't most football instinct tell the road team to go for 2 and the win in that situation? Especially, from the 1???
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yes...:horse:...:)

GO VOLS...BEAT HUSKERS!
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
Gary Danielson "I don't know if Butch has some magic pixie dust, but whatever he has, I'm buying." This was after Foreman forced the fumble into the endzone that caused a touchback. My, how the tables have turned.

Hindsight is 20/20 but after UT scored the td to make it 34-35, Butch chose to go for 1 to tie. ATM jumped offsides which would have put the ball at about the 1 yard line, but Butch declined the penalty and kicked the extra point to tie.

Doesn't most football instinct tell the road team to go for 2 and the win in that situation? Especially, from the 1???
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Agree with you. But if the A&M kicker doesn't shank a field goal attempt, then we don't go to overtime anyway. Our defense didn't do much to slow A&M down and this was the game that UT hado like 10 injuries. A lot of our season was lost in College Station.
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
Gary Danielson "I don't know if Butch has some magic pixie dust, but whatever he has, I'm buying." This was after Foreman forced the fumble into the endzone that caused a touchback. My, how the tables have turned.

Hindsight is 20/20 but after UT scored the td to make it 34-35, Butch chose to go for 1 to tie. ATM jumped offsides which would have put the ball at about the 1 yard line, but Butch declined the penalty and kicked the extra point to tie.

Doesn't most football instinct tell the road team to go for 2 and the win in that situation? Especially, from the 1???
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No, our offense was red hot that game, we lost in OT bc a Wolf ran the wrong route.

If we had scored 2 then the aTm drive changes completely. They were conservative on offense on that last drive, a field goal would have been nice but you don't take the risky throw when you have OT in your back pocket.

Vol fans need to think back to UF 04. We miss the extra point so UF runs the ball 3 times trying to kill the clock. One 1st down and that game is over. We stop their predictable runs up the middle and get the ball back. In a tied game they would not have been as conservative.
 
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volfaninpa said:
Agree with you. But if the A&M kicker doesn't shank a field goal attempt, then we don't go to overtime anyway. Our defense didn't do much to slow A&M down and this was the game that UT hado like 10 injuries. A lot of our season was lost in College Station.
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Looking back on that game could drive a fan crazy. So many what if's, if this does or doesn't go that way if this guy or that guy doesn't get hurt. It coulda been completely different season if
 
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Let's see another one of those threads.

Johnny Majors was right - UT has a subset of fans that for some reason love to dwell on the bad and be miserable all the time.
 
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jamesthesame said:
With our offensive line most of this year? No.
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We were moving the ball with ease though. ATM defense was tired and getting gashed for chunks play after play toward the end. I have no doubt that Kamara or Kelly would have gotten in from the 1. You just gotta stay aggressive imo.

But like another post mentioned, that could have changed the whole dynamic of ATM next drive.
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
Gary Danielson "I don't know if Butch has some magic pixie dust, but whatever he has, I'm buying." This was after Foreman forced the fumble into the endzone that caused a touchback. My, how the tables have turned.

Hindsight is 20/20 but after UT scored the td to make it 34-35, Butch chose to go for 1 to tie. ATM jumped offsides which would have put the ball at about the 1 yard line, but Butch declined the penalty and kicked the extra point to tie.

Doesn't most football instinct tell the road team to go for 2 and the win in that situation? Especially, from the 1???
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People would attack him if he went for 2 and didn't make it. He is in a lose/lose coaching scenario. Everyone on here was ready to fire the Titans coach after he did it vs Kansas Coty.
 
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Chart said kick it. Volnation cheers either way.

Probably figured we would botch the hand off or fumble on the way in. Hard to throw stones on that one.
 
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Less than 40% Chance of making 2, discussed adnauseum already months ago, why bring it up now?
 
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jamesthesame said:
With our offensive line most of this year? No.
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We were controlling the line of scrimmage that game, specifically at that time, during that drive. Would've been a good, calculated risk to take there. Oh well, water under the bridge. Could understand either decision.
 
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Butch went from having "pixie dust" BEFORE aTm game...

To EATING everyone's dust, after and the rest of the 2016 Season!!!
 
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We have never had a coach with balls. Always the safe option. Spurrier,Miles,and Saban go for the jugular. Attack,attack,always attack to use the ole French motto before they sucked too. We need a killer on sidelines. Hire Miles or Kiffin back ASAP IMHO. Go Vols! Kill Nebraska!
 
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CTM said:
Less than 40% Chance of making 2, discussed adnauseum already months ago, why bring it up now?
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No agenda here. And I had not seen the discussion in the past. I probably didn't get on VN that week.

I just know we definitely had the momentum in the game at that point. And 40%... I get it, but momentum can surpass math logic. I mean we had a 99.9% chance of losing to Georgia the week before. Roll the dice and trust the pixie dust!
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
Gary Danielson "I don't know if Butch has some magic pixie dust, but whatever he has, I'm buying." This was after Foreman forced the fumble into the endzone that caused a touchback. My, how the tables have turned.

Hindsight is 20/20 but after UT scored the td to make it 34-35, Butch chose to go for 1 to tie. ATM jumped offsides which would have put the ball at about the 1 yard line, but Butch declined the penalty and kicked the extra point to tie.

Doesn't most football instinct tell the road team to go for 2 and the win in that situation? Especially, from the 1???
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That's fan instinct. After being down that far and having momentum, I think you play for OT every time. Going for the win on the road is more of a basketball thing.
 
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The "road team going for the win" applies mostly to baseball since the home team always bats last.

Tenn had all the momentum at that time. OT was advantage for Tenn IF they hadn't gone crazy with the play call in 2nd OT.
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
Gary Danielson "I don't know if Butch has some magic pixie dust, but whatever he has, I'm buying." This was after Foreman forced the fumble into the endzone that caused a touchback. My, how the tables have turned.

Hindsight is 20/20 but after UT scored the td to make it 34-35, Butch chose to go for 1 to tie. ATM jumped offsides which would have put the ball at about the 1 yard line, but Butch declined the penalty and kicked the extra point to tie.

Doesn't most football instinct tell the road team to go for 2 and the win in that situation? Especially, from the 1???
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Yes, this is beating a dead horse, but you are exactly right. He should have gone for 2 in that case. We were gashing the Aggies all game, especially with Kamara up the middle. It would have been the right thing to do.
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
Gary Danielson "I don't know if Butch has some magic pixie dust, but whatever he has, I'm buying." This was after Foreman forced the fumble into the endzone that caused a touchback. My, how the tables have turned.

Hindsight is 20/20 but after UT scored the td to make it 34-35, Butch chose to go for 1 to tie. ATM jumped offsides which would have put the ball at about the 1 yard line, but Butch declined the penalty and kicked the extra point to tie.

Doesn't most football instinct tell the road team to go for 2 and the win in that situation? Especially, from the 1???
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Butch has no guts and should have went for 4th and goal vs OU... only needed 1/2 yard and Dobbs could have lined up behind center.
 
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CTM said:
Less than 40% Chance of making 2, discussed adnauseum already months ago, why bring it up now?
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That's from the 3 yard line. TN was at the 1 1/2 yard line after the penalty.

That said, there is no right or wrong answer. I would have liked to see TN go for 2, but tying up the game and forcing an OT was an okay call as well. The play call in OT ending in the INT was worse than the decision to kick the XP.
 
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