Athletes getting paid.....terrible idea

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California has already passed this as law and the governor signed it last month. Takes effect Jan 2023. Other state lawmaker have said they are considering similar legislation.
The schools ARE NOT paying the players. This will allow car dealers, Nike, etc. to pay a player to advertise or endorse their product. A jersey for sale with the players name on it, then the player would get something. A video game with the players name or picture, then the player would get a cut.
This I think would really hurt teams in smaller markets.
The only recourse the NCAA has is not allowing California and future states fron NCAA tournaments and or preventing NCAA member schools from playing them, or accept the change.
I do not think it is really up for debate, it is going to happen. Yes it will change the major sports but by how much is anyone’s guess.
 
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newyorkvol said:
even a “free” market is defined by those willing to pay. This “problem” is really only for football and basketball athletes. The reason it’s a problem is that the professional institutions say you have to be out of HS for 1 or 3 years and the NCAA says we’re not paying extra. The HS athlete then has a choice. In the NBA, they can now join the G League for a $125000 salary for a five month season. The basketball player doesn’t HAVE to go to college. If they do, then they accept the restrictions of that institution. The NFL is the real problem.
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I would love for the NBA and NFL to set up real minor league programs and adopt baseball's draft policy. Then colleges could take a firm stance on amateurism.
 
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Look at PRO sports, its all about the biggest market. New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami, etc. The kids will follow the money... Knoxville or Tuscaloosa can't hold a candle to what these other markets could offer. Absolutely hate the idea and it will destroy what we've known about Collegiate Athletics. Get ready for the NBA/NFL 2.0, only dirtier.
 
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hog88 said:
I would love for the NBA and NFL to set up real minor league programs and adopt baseball's draft policy. Then colleges could take a firm stance on amateurism.
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It would probably luck the can down the road a little, but I still think they'd eventually have the same issue.
 
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Sara Clark said:
When a player enters a sport, do you think they are warned and told about damage and the likelihood of that happening? They do see all the reports of "brain damage" in the news and on tv? If they are fully aware of the dangers involved and still choose to go down that path, the school should carry insurance on them for life?
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Since you put it like that, perhaps the school should not be in a position to endanger the student at all, and there should be no football.

According to the NCAA settlement regarding concussion:
•College football players are three times more likely than the general population to have symptoms related to chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), a debilitating disease associated with repetitive head trauma. That’s roughly the same risk level seen in former NFL players. The risk of having CTE symptoms in NCAA contact sports other than football -- lacrosse, wrestling, ice hockey, field hockey, soccer and basketball -- is one-and-a-half times higher than the general population.

And that's just concussive related health problems aside from those related to joint and structural damage and permanent disability.

I think the Education Industrial Complex has had its way for too long in this regard. I enjoy football less knowing this and question the morality and ethics of enjoying it at all. At minimum, some balancing of the scales is needed.
 
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fatal1 said:
my two cents on this athletes are getting paid to a certain extent they have their scholarships to get them thru school where non athletes do not. so what is a scholarship worth 10 to 50 thousand or more.
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I used to pick cotton. Got paid barely enough to buy a bottle of Coca Cola after working all day in the hot sun. Only relief was water (sometimes) and what meager lunch I could afford. While the field owner reaped big financial gain. It's called exploitation. Same with athletes, they get paid degree work money while also getting nothing for football work money. The Foster kid back then needed tacos, remember? When I got my B.A. and even after my masters, I couldn't afford a car, not even a heap to look for a job not to mention buy or rent a car to get to a job once I found one. A bicycle can do only so much as transportation. But in the end, I got a few breaks here and there, and folks kind enough to help me out just enough to keep staggering on. I knew others who didn't even get that. A lot of folks with even less starting resources than I had, didn't make it and ended up as well-educated homeless people. A piece of paper doesn't mean much if you have no start-up just to find a job. Broke as I was, I loaned money to folks in my situation to just get their resumes printed back then. So? I had a scholarship, two actually. Based on my test scores, field of study and maintaining a high GPA. If you haven't been to the lowest level of hell, I suggest you refrain from presuming or judging others who have it worse than you do.
 
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Sara Clark said:
They do get something, a free education, best healthcare available all of this from off hard work, effort and dedication. Is the pay equivalent to the skill set on the field, no, but then that's not the reason they are in college to begin with, it's to get an education. If a student simply goes to a college based on sponsors, that puts the emphasis on athletics and devalues the University and education. If they show out on the field, with hard work, then they have the option to go pro. We should also remember, the argument the coach makes so much, why shouldn't the player. It is the coach getting the player ready for the NFL, should the player want to go in that direction. This is the time to be a student, learning in the classroom, and on the field. JMO, college sports should in NO way become a professional sport.
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I played D1 baseball and had friends from many different sports. I can assure you that while coaches want you to do well in the classroom, they don’t recruit you for grades. The majority just want you eligible. To compete. In athletics.

Kids who have no business attending colleges get accepted all the time as well. Due to athletics. It’s the reason there are these cheating and tutoring scandals all the time. Literally happens at every school.

The emphasis is already on athletics, you’re just not recognizing it.
 
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NCFisher said:
Since you put it like that, perhaps the school should not be in a position to endanger the student at all, and there should be no football.

According to the NCAA settlement regarding concussion:
•College football players are three times more likely than the general population to have symptoms related to chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), a debilitating disease associated with repetitive head trauma. That’s roughly the same risk level seen in former NFL players. The risk of having CTE symptoms in NCAA contact sports other than football -- lacrosse, wrestling, ice hockey, field hockey, soccer and basketball -- is one-and-a-half times higher than the general population.

And that's just concussive related health problems aside from those related to joint and structural damage and permanent disability.

I think the Education Industrial Complex has had its way for too long in this regard. I enjoy football less knowing this and question the morality and ethics of enjoying it at all. At minimum, some balancing of the scales is needed.
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My sentiments exactly. There money has gotten too big to justify the amateur model.
 
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MarcoVol said:
I played D1 baseball and had friends from many different sports. I can assure you that while coaches want you to do well in the classroom, they don’t recruit you for grades. The majority just want you eligible. To compete. In athletics.

Kids who have no business attending colleges get accepted all the time as well. Due to athletics. It’s the reason there are these cheating and tutoring scandals all the time. Literally happens at every school.

The emphasis is already on athletics, you’re just not recognizing it.
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I think this is a great argument NOT to pay these athletes. They are in a position and gaining compensation that they would otherwise have no access to except for their athleticism.
 
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Billy Ratliff said:
“The product” is young men sacrificing their bodies and long term health for a bachelors degree which is becoming devalued more each day.
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It's not just men. With men's sports being the most financially lucrative side of college sports, it's reasonable to assume the overwhelming bulk of money will go to men. Which will stir up a lot of charges of discrimination which will ultimately be used by the likes of Elizabeth Warren, Kamela Harris, etc. to further politicize sports and demand "equal pay" for women.

Title IX wasn't supposed to lead to the cancellation of any men's sports teams but it did. It's also been used to further a lot of other insane policies on campuses. Can't begin to imagine where this will all lead.
 
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allvol123 said:
What is silly is to tell some kid they cant make $10000 because it might interfere with some redneck hillbilly's enjoyment of a game.
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Lol. Can't make this stuff up...

And who's going to pay the kid when millions of those hillbillies stop watching? And what about the kid who was on the hillbillies favorite team who got his scholarship cut because the program was no longer competitive and not profitable?

I'm not saying that would happen with this rule, but it would happen if they took your advice and cut all restrictions.

Another thing that is silly is the idea it's un American.

High school football players can go play where ever they want, except for the NFL. Even then, they just have to wait 3 years. They could have went to the AFL, which crashed and burned. They could go to the XFL, which they won't.

Everyone talks about these poor unpaid players. The market has had decades to produce a viable alternative. College athletics pay more, provide better amenities, and better resources than anything else and it isn't even close.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Lol. Can't make this stuff up...

And who's going to pay the kid when millions of those hillbillies stop watching? And what about the kid who was on the hillbillies favorite team who got his scholarship cut because the program was no longer competitive and not profitable?

I'm not saying that would happen with this rule, but it would happen if they took your advice and cut all restrictions.

Another thing that is silly is the idea it's un American.

High school football players can go play where ever they want, except for the NFL. Even then, they just have to wait 3 years. They could have went to the AFL, which crashed and burned. They could go to the XFL, which they won't.

Everyone talks about these poor unpaid players. The market has had decades to produce a viable alternative. College athletics pay more, provide better amenities, and better resources than anything else and it isn't even close.
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You live in a fearful world.
 
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I don't care if they make money or not as long as it isn't the state spending more tax dollars for it. I do think this will damage college sports and they might as well create another XFL or something to that nature and let the kids play there.
 
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Definitely true that paying players will make the on the field product worse. And if your primary concern is that your Saturdays will be marginally less exciting because people are allowed to profit from their labor, that makes you an *******.
 
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allvol123 said:
Yes. Quit thinking like it is other people's jobs to control the earning potential of these adults.
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I understand your premise but it's not an unknown concept; unions, governments, and any company with structured compensation do this. Employees elect to work in those environments and accept the terms of membership and employment, as players do when attending college under NCAA rules. You can go to another employer, but you can't go to another NCAA.

I think a stipend and indemnifying players for health concerns is something universities should obviously do. This is in addition to 'payment' already being rendered for tuition, room, board, professional training, and PR exposure on a large stage for those who might have a pro career.
 
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newyorkvol said:
I think this is a great argument NOT to pay these athletes. They are in a position and gaining compensation that they would otherwise have no access to except for their athleticism.
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I wonder how many saying not to pay the athletes from the money already being made off their likeness actually played sports in college?

And that is not me talking down to anyone, it is a legit curiosity of how former athletes feel about the current setup.
 
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