athiests and agnostics know more about religion than churchgoers

#202
#202
tigervol9802 said:
Who wants to take the quiz themselves?

U.S. Religious Knowledge Quiz

I got a 12 of 15. I missed 6, 7, and 12. I knew better on 6, had no clue on 7, and missed my 50/50 guess on 12.
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Honestly, through process of elimination one could figure out 3/4 of the questions.

You don't have to be a theologian to know the answers.

Interesting nevertheless.
 
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#203
#203
gsvol said:
He didn't change his mind, He had a plan from the beginning, most if not all the prophets of the OT foretold the coming of Jesus.
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I'm sure you know this, but just to put it out there, most of what God required of Israel after bringing them out of Egypt was either aimed at helping them recognize their need for God to save them (recognizing their inability to perfectly obey Him and their dependence on Him) or to recognize the Messiah. Only after Jesus' ascension and the giving of the Spirit of God to men did any of them start to put the two together and realize that. We see that clearly in the early dissertations from the apostles and Stephen in Acts. :yes:

Of course, most "incomplete" Jews will never agree to this.
 
#204
#204
J-P said:
Frankly, from my personal perspective, not sharing the message of salvation would be the easy course. Sharing it often leads to arguments, ridicule, alienation, suspicion.
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Don't forget blessings!




IPorange said:
Evolution? :eek:hmy:
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Or metamorphosis?

'Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this
island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him,
all Europe may be free and the life of the world
may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But
if we fail, the whole world, including the Unites
States, including all that we have known and
cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark
Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more
protracted, by the lights of perverted
science.

Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties,
and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire
and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years,
men will say, "This was their finest hour."'
(Churchill in his speech on June 18, 1940)




droski said:
are you doing it for me or for yourself? have you really thought about that? as an example i very much doubt you'd appreciate me telling you that you are absolutely 100% wasting your time going to church. even though, by your logic, it would be the right thing for me to tell you this.
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Hard to believe the worship of God to be a waste of time.




VOLatile said:
Referring back to page 1... I'm so late to this.



Show me one person that was born religious. Everyone's taught their religion or non-religion.
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Is there life before we are born into this life??





IPorange said:
You'll never get that kind of naked honesty out of anyone.
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Even moi?
 
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#205
#205
gsvol said:
Hard to believe the worship of God to be a waste of time.
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you are assuming

a) there is a god

and

b) he wants to be worshiped

neither are even remotely a given as far as i am concerned. edit: particurally b
 
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J-P said:
I'm sure you know this, but just to put it out there, most of what God required of Israel after bringing them out of Egypt was either aimed at helping them recognize their need for God to save them (recognizing their inability to perfectly obey Him and their dependence on Him) or to recognize the Messiah. Only after Jesus' ascension and the giving of the Spirit of God to men did any of them start to put the two together and realize that. We see that clearly in the early dissertations from the apostles and Stephen in Acts. :yes:

Of course, most "incomplete" Jews will never agree to this.
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Recently a woman professor at a university in
Israel was dismissed and has filed suit charging
that she was fired because she converted to
the Christian religion.

It continually irks me that political discourse
about the middle east focus on the problem
between the muslims and jews (mostly caused
by the fact that the muslims want to eradicate
the jews) but then innocent Chritian people,
caught in the middle so to speak, are totally
ignored by politicians and media experts alike!
 
#208
#208
hardly surprising, I have no formal training in economics yet I have a better understanding of how things work in the real world than LG, utgibbs or any other Keynesian sycophant.

I wasn't born an atheist, but I did evolve into an agnostic.
 
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droski said:
you are assuming

a) there is a god

and

b) he wants to be worshiped

neither are even remotely a given as far as i am concerned. edit: particurally b
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He wants to be trusted and obeyed, because said trust and obedience is good for the creature and pleases and honors the Creator.

Empty worship is detestable to Him, as he told the people of Jerusalem through Isaiah.
 
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#210
MG1968 said:
hardly surprising, I have no formal training in economics yet I have a better understanding of how things work in the real world than LG, utgibbs or any other Keynesian sycophant.

I wasn't born an atheist, but I did evolve into an agnostic.
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And a low score on here does not make anyone more religious or less religious or give anyone the ability to demean one of a certain sect for "not knowing their own faith".

The whole premise here is to take a swipe at America, a "Christian nation", as being one who has no understanding of religion in the first place. Every place this has been discussed that I've viewed, this whole poll is used as a prop to take a hit at Christians for telling others to convert to something they themselves have no grasp at. This whole argument has nothing to do with the poll. It's like giving people a world geography quiz on 15 questions, watching some Americans get low scores, and just labeling everyone as closed minded, isolationist xenophobes.
 
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#211
CSpindizzy said:
And a low score on here does not make anyone more religious or less religious or give anyone the ability to demean one of a certain sect for "not knowing their own faith".

The whole premise here is to take a swipe at America, a "Christian nation", as being one who has no understanding of religion in the first place. Every place this has been discussed that I've viewed, this whole poll is used as a prop to take a hit at Christians for telling others to convert to something they themselves have no grasp at. This whole argument has nothing to do with the poll. It's like giving people a world geography quiz on 15 questions, watching some Americans get low scores, and just labeling everyone as closed minded, isolationist xenophobes.
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i'd argue it does show a degree of closemindedness to not know very basic information about other religions (which it was).
 
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#212
droski said:
i'd argue it does show a degree of closemindedness to not know very basic information about other religions (which it was).
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So not being fully versed in history and characters of other religions based on 15 questions is closed minded? Or insert any other idea out there.

And uneducated is different from close minded. Not being schooled in something does not mean they are intolerant.
 
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#213
CSpindizzy said:
So not being fully versed in history and characters of other religions based on 15 questions is closed minded? Or insert any other idea out there.

And uneducated is different from close minded. Not being schooled in something does not mean they are intolerant.
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those questions weren't about being fully versed. it was very basic information. i wasn't arguing intolerance at all. i just don't understand how one can be so sure their religion is the correct one while not knowing anything about other religions? it's similar to people arguing SEC football is the best despite never watching other conferences games. :)
 
#214
#214
Close minded means intolerant.

Here's an apocalypse for you....look over the past 10 years and tell me which conference has won the most titles? When you line the best of the conferences up against each other what do you get? Look at the draftees coming out of each conference. Who turns out the talent?

Wow. A debate fit for another forum finds its way into here...stranger things have happened.
 
#219
#219
Are you referring to now or after the final judgment? Basically the concept of Sheol is the abode of the dead where all go until Christ's return.

I think there is some confusion as to what is what and where people go when they die.
 
#220
#220
CSpindizzy said:
Are you referring to now or after the final judgment? Basically the concept of Sheol is the abode of the dead where all go until Christ's return.

I think there is some confusion as to what is what and where people go when they die.
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So good people go straight to heaven but wicked are in a waiting room?
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#223
#223
bamacheats said:
Are Adam & Eve burning in Hell right now?
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Of course not, there were merely banned from Eden.



droski said:
you are assuming

a) there is a god

and

b) he wants to be worshiped

neither are even remotely a given as far as i am concerned. edit: particurally b
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You are assuming:

a) there is no God.
I know better.

and

b) He does not.

He has said so and told us at a bare minimum
to ackowledge Him in all our ways.




CSpindizzy said:
And a low score on here does not make anyone more religious or less religious or give anyone the ability to demean one of a certain sect for "not knowing their own faith".

The whole premise here is to take a swipe at America, a "Christian nation", as being one who has no understanding of religion in the first place. Every place this has been discussed that I've viewed, this whole poll is used as a prop to take a hit at Christians for telling others to convert to something they themselves have no grasp at. This whole argument has nothing to do with the poll. It's like giving people a world geography quiz on 15 questions, watching some Americans get low scores, and just labeling everyone as closed minded, isolationist xenophobes.
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The PEW headline is extremely misleading to say the least.
 
#224
#224
Anyone who believes Adam & Eve have any shot at redemption is exponentially more illogical than even utgibbs and his Fulmerphilia. What a colossal insult to the value of Christ's sacrifice.
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