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jakez4ut

jakez4ut

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sounding like a complete Lane Kiffin homer, does anyone else get the feeling that some of the other coaches just have it in their minds that they just can't afford to lose to UT this year?

the adjoining rooms comment about Meyer's hotel room is definitely spurrieresque. listening to Meyer and Richt and Saban take the high road talking about professionalism and respect etc....sounds, dare I say, fulmeresque.

anyway, i just find it amusing that after all those years of being the butt of jokes from the likes of Spurrier, that we have a guy that actually had Urban Meyer basically asking the media to stop asking him about other teams, and to please focus on his team.

i wonder how frustrating that is....you've just won your 2nd national title. you have all everything coming back for a probable back to back title run, and you can't get away from being asked about Lane Kiffin and tennessee.

i still think Florida beats us anyway this year, but i just don't think that's the point anymore. even if they win, you know what the first question he's going to be asked is right?

"does this win feel any better that it was against Lane Kiffin after all the off season drama?"

I wonder what kind of answer we'll get.....:)
 
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I hope Lane doesn't stop until Urban's in a straight-jacket.
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All the media attention and kiffins comments have made him a marked man already. I'm hoping the recruiting keeps going well. Its only a matter of time before this program is right back up there anyway. They better get their shots in while they can.
 
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With the pecan logs, pumping gas comment, twittergate, the alleged firing of a S&C coach and the whole booster dinner/Pahokee fiasco, there is only two ways this can end for Kiffin, and there is no middle ground on this.

Either he will be a smashing success and hated like Spurrier/Meyer, or he will be laughed out of the conference (along with Hamilton).

I personally do not want to see this end anytime soon, because I know what is lurking on the otherside... the Fulmerites and their desire to rescue Fulmer from Elba and restore the king to the throne.
 
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jakez4ut said:
sounding like a complete Lane Kiffin homer, does anyone else get the feeling that some of the other coaches just have it in their minds that they just can't afford to lose to UT this year?

the adjoining rooms comment about Meyer's hotel room is definitely spurrieresque. listening to Meyer and Richt and Saban take the high road talking about professionalism and respect etc....sounds, dare I say, fulmeresque.

anyway, i just find it amusing that after all those years of being the butt of jokes from the likes of Spurrier, that we have a guy that actually had Urban Meyer basically asking the media to stop asking him about other teams, and to please focus on his team.

i wonder how frustrating that is....you've just won your 2nd national title. you have all everything coming back for a probable back to back title run, and you can't get away from being asked about Lane Kiffin and tennessee.

i still think Florida beats us anyway this year, but i just don't think that's the point anymore. even if they win, you know what the first question he's going to be asked is right?

"does this win feel any better that it was against Lane Kiffin after all the off season drama?"

I wonder what kind of answer we'll get.....:)
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No doubt that will be the first question Meyer gets. Without me sounding like a Meyer homer, Meyer didn't say a word after the Georgia game in '07, which GA embarassed UF on the field and Meyer thought GA embarassed the University. He took it personal. I think this is very comparable to that deal. Meyer doesn't like to talk about it, he likes to deal with it his own way - on the field. Meyer loves controversy. He loves situations such as this that gives him fuel to fire his passion, IMO. He loves CLK taking shots at his team and the way UF handles things. I think it drives him.
 
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VictoryVille101 said:
No doubt that will be the first question Meyer gets. Without me sounding like a Meyer homer, Meyer didn't say a word after the Georgia game in '07, which GA embarassed UF on the field and Meyer thought GA embarassed the University. He took it personal. I think this is very comparable to that deal. Meyer doesn't like to talk about it, he likes to deal with it his own way - on the field. Meyer loves controversy. He loves situations such as this that gives him fuel to fire his passion, IMO. He loves CLK taking shots at his team and the way UF handles things. I think it drives him.
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Which is exactly why we heard from Slive shortly after the Nuke jab.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
With the pecan logs, pumping gas comment, twittergate, the alleged firing of a S&C coach and the whole booster dinner/Pahokee fiasco, there is only two ways this can end for Kiffin, and there is no middle ground on this.

Either he will be a smashing success and hated like Spurrier/Meyer, or he will be laughed out of the conference (along with Hamilton).

I personally do not want to see this end anytime soon, because I know what is lurking on the otherside... the Fulmerites and their desire to rescue Fulmer from Elba and restore the king to the throne.
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i agree with that. it's the timeline for one or the other to happen that comes in to question.

i don't think anyone realistically expects TN to be good enough to do anything on the field this year, and we probably won't be much better in year two.

in my mind, if by year three, definitely by year four, if there's nothing on the field behind the bravado off of it, it will be a short tenure.

one thing Brock Huard said the other day, that i do agree with from a general philisophical standpoint is that what Kiffin is doing is high risk, high reward, for the reasons you stated.

but specific to the situation at TN, this program needed a shot of confidence and swagger any way it could get it. I think we'd all rather get it on the field, but i do agree with Kiffin's assertion that they didn't have time to wait and see...they had to hit the ground running. I don't think all of this was intentional, but for what has happened, i think they've done about as good a job with it as they can. Now they have to do something on the field. i don't think anyone would argue that.

time will tell if it pays off. if the recruiting keeps up though, it'll definitely be headed in the right direction i would think by year 3.
 
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VictoryVille101 said:
No doubt that will be the first question Meyer gets. Without me sounding like a Meyer homer, Meyer didn't say a word after the Georgia game in '07, which GA embarassed UF on the field and Meyer thought GA embarassed the University. He took it personal. I think this is very comparable to that deal. Meyer doesn't like to talk about it, he likes to deal with it his own way - on the field. Meyer loves controversy. He loves situations such as this that gives him fuel to fire his passion, IMO. He loves CLK taking shots at his team and the way UF handles things. I think it drives him.
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no, but he was asked about it....but your point is taken. he did use it his own way the following year, and in the end, he didn't have to say anything.

i'm sure the same will be true after the game in the swamp this year as well.:banghead2:

i still think the true test for Kiffin will be what happens in year 2, 3, and 4.
 
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Jake, Im with you. I love it. Ive experienced so many years of Phil's willingness to just take SOS's crap that for once I am reveling in being on this end of the stick.
 
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Making us relevant again isn't going to be easy, and Lane's just cocky enough to do it. Plus, it doesn't hurt he has an All-Star staff to start out with either.
 
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rexvol said:
Jake, Im with you. I love it. Ive experienced so many years of Phil's willingness to just take SOS's crap that for once I am reveling in being on this end of the stick.
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me too. but with this disclaimer...SPurrier did his talking after winning, and winning, and winning....which made it all worse.

while this is great right now, the butt end of those jokes comes right back around if Kiffin flames out in less than 5 years.

i don't think that will happen, and i definitely dont' want it to, but i know that's a possibility as i sit here today.
 
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jakez4ut said:
no, but he was asked about it....but your point is taken. he did use it his own way the following year, and in the end, he didn't have to say anything.

i'm sure the same will be true after the game in the swamp this year as well.:banghead2:

i still think the true test for Kiffin will be what happens in year 2, 3, and 4.
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The great thing about football is that it is played on the field and TN will have an opportunity to win the game just like UF.
 
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VictoryVille101 said:
I guess speculation will have to be the winner at the moment of our intense argument.
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not really. kiffin said what he said to a group of boosters and a breakfast in a rah rah speach to donors. in and of itself, not a big deal. should he have said he cheated? no, not going to argue that, and he should have been wiser knowing that it likely would get out thru the media that was there.

that said, when Meyer and Foley got wind of it, they made it a spectacle by demanding public apoligies etc.... if it was simply about an apology or respect or professionalism, meyer could have picked up the phone and talked to Kiffin. Instead, we have a press conf...and the ensuing drama ensues from there.

so, yeah, Kiffin shouldn't have said it the way he said it. he could have accomplished his goal with those donors with out embelishing like he did, no argument.

but to say that Foley or Meyer hasn't played a part in this becoming what it has, is, well, naive.
 
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VictoryVille101 said:
The great thing about football is that it is played on the field and TN will have an opportunity to win the game just like UF.
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eh, debatable. Florida was going to be a heavy favorite anyway, they should win anyway...these comments etc....didn't change that. they just put more light on a game that honestly has no reason, football wise, to have it. it created a storyline for a game, that's all. i'll have a hard time being convinced it did anytihng to improve the competitive advantage Florida already has.
 
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VictoryVille101 said:
I guess speculation will have to be the winner at the moment of our intense argument.
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I'm willing to bet if you've got a two time NC Champ coach that's being rumored to go to Notre Dame, and who's publicly stated coaching the Irish would be his dream job, you ask the guy for permission before you go whine on his behalf to the SEC commissioner.
 
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jakez4ut said:
not really. kiffin said what he said to a group of boosters and a breakfast in a rah rah speach to donors. in and of itself, not a big deal. should he have said he cheated? no, not going to argue that, and he should have been wiser knowing that it likely would get out thru the media that was there.

that said, when Meyer and Foley got wind of it, they made it a spectacle by demanding public apoligies etc.... if it was simply about an apology or respect or professionalism, meyer could have picked up the phone and talked to Kiffin. Instead, we have a press conf...and the ensuing drama ensues from there.

so, yeah, Kiffin shouldn't have said it the way he said it. he could have accomplished his goal with those donors with out embelishing like he did, no argument.

but to say that Foley or Meyer hasn't played a part in this becoming what it has, is, well, naive.
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Didn't say that Foley had nothing to do with it. He had everything to do with it. Foley has taken a sense of pride in what he has created at UF. Hell, I would too. The speculation I was speaking of is what Meyer had to say about the situation. He said nothing. Foley was the face at the press conference, not Meyer.
 
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in my opinion, kiffin's jabs at other teams have no bearing on how long he will be at ut. whether he's making comments or not, if he doesn't win, he's gone.

so i think all this media attention about "if kiffin doesn't win in the next two or three years, or at least doesn't show improvement, he will find himself jobless" is correct, however, i don't believe that him taking jabs at florida or any other team for that matter changes the time span he's given to produce results.
 
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VictoryVille101 said:
Didn't say that Foley had nothing to do with it. He had everything to do with it. Foley has taken a sense of pride in what he has created at UF. Hell, I would too. The speculation I was speaking of is what Meyer had to say about the situation. He said nothing. Foley was the face at the press conference, not Meyer.
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i don't think it a stretch for BPV to connect the dots as he did.... i'm sure meyer and foley had a conversation about this when they heard the comments, and at that point, i would expect the AD to action he deemed appropriate. and foley chose his course.
 
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VictoryVille101 said:
Didn't say that Foley had nothing to do with it. He had everything to do with it. Foley has taken a sense of pride in what he has created at UF. Hell, I would too. The speculation I was speaking of is what Meyer had to say about the situation. He said nothing. Foley was the face at the press conference, not Meyer.
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thanks for making this point. outside of the '06 nc campaign, there's no real evidence these vols fans have that meyer is a whiner, cryer, etc. just seems to be the only way they can belittle him, substantiated or not.
and with the '06 campaign atleast he proved he was right.
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