As far as Saban is concerned...

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TNHopeful505

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I've seen a lot of people saying (specifically about Les Miles) he couldn't even beat Saban consistently, we want someone who is going to beat Alabama twice a year!

Well...look at this.

Saban took over Alabama in 2007. Since 2007, here are the coaches who have beat Saban once.

Mark Richt
Bobby Bowden
Sylvester Croom
Charlie Weatherbie
Tommy Tuberville
Kyle Whittingham
Steve Spurrier
Gene Chizik
Kevin Sumlin
Bob Stoops
Dabo Swinney

You want any of those guys? Let's be realistic. Richt isn't leaving Miami where he once again choked. Bowden, Spurrier, Stoops are retired and aren't coming back. Croom isn't a name that would fire anyone up. Most all of you are Googling Weatherbie as we speak. Tuberville was worse at Cincinnati than Butch was. Whittingham might be alright, but he's not setting the world on fire. Chizik needs to stay in the booth. Sumlin I've heard a lot of people say the only reason he beat Bama was because of Manziel.

Okay, so what about the list of coaches who have beat Alabama and Saban TWICE?


Hugh Freeze
Gus Malzahn
Urban Meyer

Freeze doesn't need to be around our program after what he brought upon Ole Miss. Malzahn isn't leaving Auburn after that massive deal they just gave him, and IF he did, it wouldn't be for us. And Meyer wouldn't even consider Tennessee.

However, only Les Miles has beaten Saban THREE times.


And I'm not saying that Les Miles is or should be the guy. I don't know.

But all of you who are like "We need someone who can beat Saban twice a year to make it to the playoffs,"

Well, they don't make many of those. But Miles knows how to built a Bama-beater more than anyone on that list.

If beating Bama twice a year is the requirement, then NOBODY is going to fit that bill.

We need someone who is going to recruit and develop players and who is going to produce a competitive team year after year. Some years, yeah, they might beat Saban. Others, they might not.

But, I just wanted to provide some numbers. Because unfortunately, we are slated every year to play the best college coach of all time. And that's a challenge for any coach, because a championship here doesn't mean just beating him once a year, it means twice.

And I want a coach who is up for and ready to take that challenge on.
 
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If Les is going to be coach, all I care about is who is going to be his OC. His offenses toward the end of those LSU years were horrific.

EDIT: also, why didnt u just post in the Les Miles thread?
 
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To be fair, anyone wanting Richt, he gave Saban one of if not his biggest beat down, 45-16.
 
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Les is also the only coach in America who has had talent on par with Saban's for the vast majority of the past decade. And his record against Saban: 3-7 (and would've been 3-8 if he hadn't been fired early in 2016). And remember, all three of those wins came in Saban's first five seasons at Bama, so Miles actually had better talent and a lot of Saban's coaches for those early wins.

Les Miles is easily one of the most overrated college football coaches of all-time. He took a program left in excellent shape by Saban. He was in the best place for talent in America. If you exclude his first three seasons, he was 107-49, with about as immense advantages as you could possibly get. He was 19-10 during his last three seasons. His offenses underperformed consistently.

Miles is a testament to the fact that people look at records more than situations. Dan Mullen's record at Miss State is much more impressive than Miles' record at LSU even though Miles won a higher percentage of games. Miles had top talent and underperformed. Mullen had the worst talent in the SEC West and outperformed. Now that Mullen has access to top talent at Florida, I think he could crush Les Miles every year. And if Saban is 5-0 over Miles in Miles' least 5 seasons, what makes anyone think Miles will beat Kirby Smart either?

I'm not going to say "let's revolt" if it's Miles, but let's be honest ... he'd be a placeholder and we'd probably be 3rd or 4th in the East for the next several years. It makes much more sense to me to hire Tee Martin right now, rather than have some ridiculous Head Coach in Waiting situation and delay our chances to be competitive for a few years.
 
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photovol said:
The Vols just want someone that can beat Vanderbilt regularly:)
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You just wait. Once we get things fixed, we are gonna beat those poodles like a red headed mule. Again and again and again, until despair fills their hearts when they see us on the schedule.
 
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ScreaminVolHawkins said:
If Les is going to be coach, all I care about is who is going to be his OC. His offenses toward the end of those LSU years were horrific.

EDIT: also, why didnt u just post in the Les Miles thread?
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Because it's not just about Les. If anyone thinks there's a coach out there (yes, even Gruden) that's going to consistently beat down Saban 2-3 times a year, they're insane. Literally, NO ONE has done that, and even if we hire Petersen or Gruden or Patterson, it's not going to happen.

That's not a pessimistic view as much as it is respect to Saban for gameplanning and execution.

I'm just tired of people acting like just because someone hasn't beaten Saban every time they've played that we don't want them.

Sumlin, Mullen and Miles are all fine coaches. Just don't want people to compare people to Saban. While I realize he is who we have to (or get to) go through every year, very few coaches are going to be able to consistently have his number. We can just hope to get someone who is going to put up a fight and occasionally steal one.

I'm not saying anything about Les other than he's been the only one to do it 3 times, regardless of the circumstances in which he did it.
 
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I think we all need to contribute to NY Giants funding of Saban replacing McAdoo. He's been talked about today on NY sports radio...along w/ Grumors. Time to see some mattress burning in the West when Dabo decides to stay in Clemson???
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Les is also the only coach in America who has had talent on par with Saban's for the vast majority of the past decade. And his record against Saban: 3-7 (and would've been 3-8 if he hadn't been fired early in 2016). And remember, all three of those wins came in Saban's first five seasons at Bama, so Miles actually had better talent and a lot of Saban's coaches for those early wins.

Les Miles is easily one of the most overrated college football coaches of all-time. He took a program left in excellent shape by Saban. He was in the best place for talent in America. If you exclude his first three seasons, he was 107-49, with about as immense advantages as you could possibly get. He was 19-10 during his last three seasons. His offenses underperformed consistently.

Miles is a testament to the fact that people look at records more than situations. Dan Mullen's record at Miss State is much more impressive than Miles' record at LSU even though Miles won a higher percentage of games. Miles had top talent and underperformed. Mullen had the worst talent in the SEC West and outperformed. Now that Mullen has access to top talent at Florida, I think he could crush Les Miles every year. And if Saban is 5-0 over Miles in Miles' least 5 seasons, what makes anyone think Miles will beat Kirby Smart either?

I'm not going to say "let's revolt" if it's Miles, but let's be honest ... he'd be a placeholder and we'd probably be 3rd or 4th in the East for the next several years. It makes much more sense to me to hire Tee Martin right now, rather than have some ridiculous Head Coach in Waiting situation and delay our chances to be competitive for a few years.
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Well we couldn’t get Mullen. Before we can handle Saban we need to be able to beat Vanderbilt and Kentucky. We’re dead last in the East. Dead. Freaking. Last. Our program is on life support and if Les Miles is the organ donor that could save it to fight another day , so be it. I’m amused by the people who think we’re in a place to whip on Saban. By the time we get a program in place to compete with Nick, he could be retired. I love the Vols but you have to be realistic.
 
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I dont think we should be thinking about who can come in and beat Saban as far as our next coach. Why? Because thats just not realistic. Morris? Miles? Venables? Steele? None of them have a chance. Kiffin? Leach? Give me a break. The fact is Saban will beat the brakes off of us regardless of who our coach is.

We just dont have the talent and depth needed.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I dont think we should be thinking about who can come in and beat Saban as far as our next coach. Why? Because thats just not realistic. Morris? Miles? Venables? Steele? None of them have a chance. Kiffin? Leach? Give me a break. The fact is Saban will beat the brakes off of us regardless of who our coach is.

We just dont have the talent and depth needed.
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I think he was considering over a period of time.... not year one.
 
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jpope9 said:
Sooo when did dabo beat saban more than once?
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My mistake. However, he will have a shot to make it two here soon.

However...personal prediction? Bama? In a revenge game? As the #4 seed, barely getting in?

They're gonna go batcrap crazy on Clemson.

Then again, I said that about Miami in the ACCCG....but I forgot Mark Richt was their coach, lol.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Les is also the only coach in America who has had talent on par with Saban's for the vast majority of the past decade. And his record against Saban: 3-7 (and would've been 3-8 if he hadn't been fired early in 2016). And remember, all three of those wins came in Saban's first five seasons at Bama, so Miles actually had better talent and a lot of Saban's coaches for those early wins.

Les Miles is easily one of the most overrated college football coaches of all-time. He took a program left in excellent shape by Saban. He was in the best place for talent in America. If you exclude his first three seasons, he was 107-49, with about as immense advantages as you could possibly get. He was 19-10 during his last three seasons. His offenses underperformed consistently.


Miles is a testament to the fact that people look at records more than situations. Dan Mullen's record at Miss State is much more impressive than Miles' record at LSU even though Miles won a higher percentage of games. Miles had top talent and underperformed. Mullen had the worst talent in the SEC West and outperformed. Now that Mullen has access to top talent at Florida, I think he could crush Les Miles every year. And if Saban is 5-0 over Miles in Miles' least 5 seasons, what makes anyone think Miles will beat Kirby Smart either?

I'm not going to say "let's revolt" if it's Miles, but let's be honest ... he'd be a placeholder and we'd probably be 3rd or 4th in the East for the next several years. It makes much more sense to me to hire Tee Martin right now, rather than have some ridiculous Head Coach in Waiting situation and delay our chances to be competitive for a few years.
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I would take 3 wins in 11 year over Bama right about now .

I would take 107-49 right about now . If we werent cherry picking , I will take the other wins that you somehow disqualified from his states. One could say that every time Saban loses now , he 'underperformed' because he has statistically the best talent pool in football.

I think we should be worried about Vandy an UK at this point. Baby steps . Not sure why we are even talking about Mullen

Hiring Tee as HC at this point in his career would set us back another lifetime and would be a detriment to Tee himself. Thru the grapevine, Tee is not ready . If he was this would be a no brainer.

I will take a proven coach to restore recruiting and fundamental football and to give us to to develop or locate a choice HC for the future. If you haven't noticed , HCs are not lining up . Gotta stop the bleeding
 
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