As Clay put it

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I watched the Michigan Ohio St game, and you can clearly see (Urban Meyer), how amazing coaches make decisions. Don;t get me wrong I hate Urban Meyer, but he is a hell of a coach. What I thought was weak was that Mich didn;t go for 2 in the first OT. The QB wanted it!
 
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No Clay was 100% right when after the South Carolina game he said fire Butch, he said the sooner TN realizes this the better off they will be. We should actually be 6-6. App state and GA should be losses as well.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
The score should never have been close enough to need to worry about going for it on 4th down.
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Exactly. Most commentary I have read and listen to about the play agrees that he should have kicked the FG you have to extend the game past that play.

Having said that, There is no reason you should be behind by 2 scores to them after being ahead by 14. Not that it was a surprise really.
 
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It's hilarious some are defending Jones' decision to not kick the FG there. That's Football 101; you kick the FG.
 
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Where's all the risk takers now? I thought you wanted a coach with some balls. He went for it and failed. If he had scored, the pressure was on Vandy, and we would've had the momentum. Now, it's he should kick it. How about the times down on the goal line and he kicks it, but you scream he should have went for it???? Can't have it both ways. Hind sight is 20/20.
 
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MiramarVol said:
Where's all the risk takers now? I thought you wanted a coach with some balls. He went for it and failed. If he had scored, the pressure was on Vandy, and we would've had the momentum. Now, it's he should kick it. How about the times down on the goal line and he kicks it, but you scream he should have went for it???? Can't have it both ways. Hind sight is 20/20.
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We had about a 1:30. We needed 2 scores. And I'm about to fall over laughing that you're talking about taking risks against ####in' Vandy.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
It's hilarious some are defending Jones' decision to not kick the FG there. That's Football 101; you kick the FG.
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Yep.... It made no sense whatsoever. Either way, we need a TD and we're going to go for 2. Kick the FG and survive for at least the onside kick attempt.
 
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MiramarVol said:
Where's all the risk takers now? I thought you wanted a coach with some balls. He went for it and failed. If he had scored, the pressure was on Vandy, and we would've had the momentum. Now, it's he should kick it. How about the times down on the goal line and he kicks it, but you scream he should have went for it???? Can't have it both ways. Hind sight is 20/20.
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Risk? He's down 2 scores with 2 mins left. Risk has nothing to do with it. You re reaching hard.
 
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I see the logic in it. You need a TD either way. Get the first one so you know what you need IF you recover the inside kick.

I'm not defending him. I'm done doing that. It should have never come to that.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I see the logic in it. You need a TD either way. Get the first one so you know what you need IF you recover the inside kick.

I'm not defending him. I'm done doing that. It should have never come to that.
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You needed both so either one you get first tells you what you need if your able to get the ball back.
 
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BeecherVol said:
You needed both so either one you get first tells you what you need if your able to get the ball back.
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I know but... in theory.... if you get the TD first and fail on the 2pt try you know you need another TD on the next (unlikely) possession. If you do get the 2pts there is less pressure to only get a FG on the next possession.

Not saying it's the right call, just that I understand the logic. I'm not going to hold Jones' feet to the coals for that one decision. Again... it should have never come to having to make that decision.
 
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ukvols said:
Of all of the decisions Butch has made in games that have been questionable, I don't think this one is nearly the worst. If we had been down by 10, then he should have kicked. When you're down by 11, either decision is defensible, because, as has been said, you don't know if you're going to make the 2 later on. My issues with this game are the offense scoring no TDs in the second half and the defense continually getting creamed on 3rd down in the second half.
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No...
You absolutely have to kick the field goal right there.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I know but... in theory.... if you get the TD first and fail on the 2pt try you know you need another TD on the next (unlikely) possession. If you do get the 2pts there is less pressure to only get a FG on the next possession.

Not saying it's the right call, just that I understand the logic. I'm not going to hold Jones' feet to the coals for that one decision. Again... it should have never come to having to make that decision.
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But you get the FG, you live to play. You don't get the first down, as happened, you're done. I get Medley missed a chip shot, but you should like his chances with another chip shot as opposed to a probable long FG, if we are talking pressure.

Also I'd understand the call more if after a TO they had a better play called, but they do all that to run a play where the ball wasn't even thrown past the first down marker.
 
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LittleVol said:
No...
You absolutely have to kick the field goal right there.
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It's fine for you to feel that way. You would have kicked.
I might have gone for it.
But, this one does not belong anywhere near not going for 2, up 12 pts, at UF in 2015, for example. It's debatable. If it had been 4th and 8, I would have kicked too. 4th and 1, and you have to go for it. 4th and 4, and it's coach's choice.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
But you get the FG, you live to play. You don't get the first down, as happened, you're done. I get Medley missed a chip shot, but you should like his chances with another chip shot as opposed to a probable long FG, if we are talking pressure.

Also I'd understand the call more if after a TO they had a better play called, but they do all that to run a play where the ball wasn't even thrown past the first down marker.
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You're right that a made FG extends the game, but another argument is, 'which decision gives you the best chance to win, not extend, win?' I think that one's open to debate. The FG means you have to drive down the field again and reach the end zone twice (TD and 2). You're already in the red zone. A TD plus a 2 here makes the next unlikely drive much easier. And, if you miss the 2 now, there's still time to overcome it, whereas the game is lost if you miss a tying 2 at the end. That said, if you don't feel comfortable about converting the 4th and 4, then I agree - kick the FG. My instinct at the time was to go for it until I saw the play.
 
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In that situation, I kick the field goal to extend the game for as long as possible.



With that said, I fully support Butch. He just caught a ton of bad breaks with the injuries. Needs another recruiting class.
 
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ukvols said:
You're right that a made FG extends the game, but another argument is, 'which decision gives you the best chance to win, not extend, win?' I think that one's open to debate. The FG means you have to drive down the field again and reach the end zone twice (TD and 2). You're already in the red zone. A TD plus a 2 here makes the next unlikely drive much easier. And, if you miss the 2 now, there's still time to overcome it, whereas the game is lost if you miss a tying 2 at the end. That said, if you don't feel comfortable about converting the 4th and 4, then I agree - kick the FG. My instinct at the time was to go for it until I saw the play.
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100% correct. Also, the throw to Kamara was a check down. But watch the play again in slow mo, Josh didn't even let his receivers make a break on their routes before he took the check down. Boyd appeared to be wide open over the middle. Also, they only rushed 4 and Dobbs could have easily ran for a 1st down or TD.
 
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JFreak said:
It's not about the play call, it's about Clay Travis being flat out wrong. Being down 11 instead of 10 opens up another myriad of options. Down 10 the correct call is absolutely to kick the FG. But Clay doesn't care, he'll more $$, articles, and listeners out of a coaching search.
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I had no problem with going for it on 4th down and short. The lead was 11 not 10. If you get the TD first and try for 2, then you know whether a FG will tie or if you need another TD. If you kick FG first, then score TD and miss the 2 - the FG was the wrong thing to do.

Had we attempted the FG and it hit the uprights / missed, Clay would be saying the right option was to go for the first down. Had we kicked the FG, got the onside kick, scored and missed the 2, he would have said we should have went for the first down.

At 10 points - it is clear what to do. At 11 - not so much - all options are gambles.
 
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I think the call to go for it was okay. Why it wasn't to get the ball to Jennings I will never understand. In high pressure situations Jennings is the guy. Of course we should have been up by 21 at the half so what do I know?
 
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Volle said:
It was a bad decision because the failed 4th down conversion ended the game right there!

You want to extend the game for the hope something good happens.

Make the FG and you're still alive.
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Meh. if you're gonna lose, you're gonna lose. I think it was the high percentage choice. I bet advanced stats would back me up.
 
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I can see that Clay has once again confused fantasy and real life.

In his fantasy world, he has the respect of his peers and a huge euphemism. In the real world...not so much.
 
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