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"Every 12 year old playing Madden knows to kick the FG, kick the onside kick, score and TD and go for 2"

Butch 8-4 Jones.
 
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I haven't head it from Butch, but I would guess his thinking was as follows. You're within 10 yds so go ahead and get the TD and try for 2. If you miss the 2 then you know you need to recover the onside kick and go for another TD vice just another FG. Essentially removing the situation where not getting the 2 pt conversion ends the game.
 
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JFreak said:
I haven't head it from Butch, but I would guess his thinking was as follows. You're within 10 yds so go ahead and get the TD and try for 2. If you miss the 2 then you know you need to recover the onside kick and go for another TD vice just another FG. Essentially removing the situation where not getting the 2 pt conversion ends the game.
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Regardless, we needed 2 scores and the ball back. Take the points (gets you closer) and try the kick that you're gonna need ANYWAY.

This was as dumb as attempting a 58 yard FG
 
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JFreak said:
I haven't head it from Butch, but I would guess his thinking was as follows. You're within 10 yds so go ahead and get the TD and try for 2. If you miss the 2 then you know you need to recover the onside kick and go for another TD vice just another FG. Essentially removing the situation where not getting the 2 pt conversion ends the game.
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That's what I was thinking. You need the touchdown. If you score and don't get the two point you know you need to score again. I think either way there isn't a wrong decision. I understood his logic and see this as a non issue.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Regardless, we needed 2 scores and the ball back. Take the points (gets you closer) and try the kick that you're gonna need ANYWAY.

This was as dumb as attempting a 58 yard FG
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My issue is that Clay Travis as usual is being as polarizing as possible and making it seem like there is NO WAY you go for it. And as usual social media buys it hook, line, and sinker. There are indeed multiple options out there. Which you choose is obviously up to debate and I'm not saying Butch was right.
 
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I am way less upset over this call than I am Vandy throwing the ball all over us and us only scoring 3 in the second half.
 
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It was a bad decision because the failed 4th down conversion ended the game right there!

You want to extend the game for the hope something good happens.

Make the FG and you're still alive.
 
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Of all of the decisions Butch has made in games that have been questionable, I don't think this one is nearly the worst. If we had been down by 10, then he should have kicked. When you're down by 11, either decision is defensible, because, as has been said, you don't know if you're going to make the 2 later on. My issues with this game are the offense scoring no TDs in the second half and the defense continually getting creamed on 3rd down in the second half.
 
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OneVolNation said:
I think Medley's miss just a few minutes prior may have factored into the decision.
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What I was thinking. He had just hit the post, may have not have trusted him. If he had kicked it and we missed, we would be talking about why in the world he didn't go for it.
 
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Seems like the odds are clear if you are worried about the 2 point conversion: easier to convert a 3 yard 2 point conversion than a 4 yard first down.
So even using that logic it is clear as day that you kick the fg.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
And that's not even considering the play called...
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It's not about the play call, it's about Clay Travis being flat out wrong. Being down 11 instead of 10 opens up another myriad of options. Down 10 the correct call is absolutely to kick the FG. But Clay doesn't care, he'll more $$, articles, and listeners out of a coaching search.
 
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JFreak said:
It's not about the play call, it's about Clay Travis being flat out wrong. Being down 11 instead of 10 opens up another myriad of options. Down 10 the correct call is absolutely to kick the FG. But Clay doesn't care, he'll more $$, articles, and listeners out of a coaching search.
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I don't care what Clay said or didn't say. It's 4th down (and wasn't short yardage). Take the points and the shot at getting the ball back.
 
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touchdown-tony said:
Seems like the odds are clear if you are worried about the 2 point conversion: easier to convert a 3 yard 2 point conversion than a 4 yard first down.
So even using that logic it is clear as day that you kick the fg.
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Not really. I think four yards from the 15 or wherever we were, is easier to pick up than three yards from the 3. The defense has a lot less field to cover from the 3 than the 15.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
I don't care what Clay said or didn't say. It's 4th down (and wasn't short yardage). Take the points and the shot at getting the ball back.
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It was 4th and 4. Pretty much all plays are available there except for QB sneak or RB dive. So maybe not very short yardage, but certainly not long yardage. Again, this could be debated ad nauseam. But it's a fallacy to say there is one solution.
 
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I'm done with Butch, finished, kaput, turn out the lights, the party's over. But I'll defend that call. Kicking the FG (assuming you make it), recovering the onside kick, scoring another TD, and going for two STILL only gets you into overtime. On the road. Against a motivated team that you can't stop, with a frenzied crowd. (well, by Vandy standards.) Whereas a TD there and an onside kick recovery gives you a chance to win the game IN REGULATION with another TD, even if you don't get the 2 point conversion initially. And if you do get the conversion, you still have the option of kicking the FG to send it into overtime.

As someone else pointed out, kicking the FG there extends the game - true, but not if Medley misses it, and he hasn't exactly been automatic for his career here. Had already doinked a 37 yarder. That kick would have been only a few yards closer.
 
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I like Clay because he is blunt and does not sugar coat everything. I seen things our 1st season with Butch that has not changed. Butch's sorry a$$ decision making skills that I hope would improve has not. The only way Butch can win a championship is by his players overpowering opponents with superior talent and now that is declining.
 
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