Article: UT Football Disciplinary Problems

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"While it appears Fulmer wants to be tough on crime, the real proof will come when he kicks a player of significant importance off the team."

Lets remind this writer that James Banks was a play of significant importance that was kicked off the team.
 
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yep, how soon they forget...but i'm sure the quick reply to that would be....exactly how many chances did CPF give Banks before he finally got tough? and to that, he would have a point.
 
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Biddle is not an anti-UT hatchetman. He's just calling it like he sees it. This is no different than when a celebrity and a joe schmo both get cuaght with drugs. The joe schmo goes to prison and the celebrity gets Betty Ford and probation. That type of thing breeds jealousy and discontent among those who live under the system. IMO Biddle is just pointing out that the disparity in punishments here appears to indicate favoritism for "important" players.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 4 said:
Biddle is not an anti-UT hatchetman. He's just calling it like he sees it. This is no different than when a celebrity and a joe schmo both get cuaght with drugs. The joe schmo goes to prison and the celebrity gets Betty Ford and probation. That type of thing breeds jealousy and discontent among those who live under the system. IMO Biddle is just pointing out that the disparity in punishments here appears to indicate favoritism for "important" players.
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Mitchell has never been in any type of trouble whatsoever in over 4 years in college. One incident and the kid should be kicked off the team? We don't know what Henderson did, but we know that this is not his first problem. Regardless of what Biddle thinks, getting a suspension from your team is a big deal, particularly for a SR.
 
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Okay.

Starting MLB gets arrested for an altercation involving police at a location where the team has been told not to go by CPF himself. Starting MLB is also a fifth year Sr. who is probably 22-23 years and should know better.

Redshirt freshman, 19-20 years old, has a prior curfew violation and says something lewd to some woman and her daughter at the mall, not very couth but certainlly not illegal and probably protected by the First Amendment for civil purposes.

To anyone with a brain that is not stored in a bone receptacle residing in PF's rectum it is pretty clear which of these is the worse offense.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 4 said:
Okay.

Starting MLB gets arrested for an altercation involving police at a location where the team has been told not to go by CPF himself. Starting MLB is also a fifth year Sr. who is probably 22-23 years and should know better.

Redshirt freshman, 19-20 years old, has a prior curfew violation and says something lewd to some woman and her daughter at the mall, not very couth but certainlly not illegal and probably protected by the First Amendment for civil purposes.

To anyone with a brain that is not stored in a bone receptacle residing in PF's rectum it is pretty clear which of these is the worse offense.
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So multiple violations is alright but a misdemeanor "mouth fight" which is the guys first problem in over 4 years deserves to be kicked off the team? Also, arguing with another adult is not nearly as bad IMO as being disrepectful to a little girl.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 4 said:
Okay.

Starting MLB gets arrested for an altercation involving police at a location where the team has been told not to go by CPF himself. Starting MLB is also a fifth year Sr. who is probably 22-23 years and should know better.

Redshirt freshman, 19-20 years old, has a prior curfew violation and says something lewd to some woman and her daughter at the mall, not very couth but certainlly not illegal and probably protected by the First Amendment for civil purposes.

To anyone with a brain that is not stored in a bone receptacle residing in PF's rectum it is pretty clear which of these is the worse offense.
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But then again look who I'm talking to. You probably see no problem with a guy being rude and disrespectful you a little girl.
 
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(VolBeef88 @ May 4 said:
But then again look who I'm talking to. You probably see no problem with a guy being rude and disrespectful you a little girl.
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Nice try but that is nowhere near what I posted. As I said, that type of behaviour is not couth. Please read my entire post before you make another libelous misrepresentation regarding me. I also find it laughable that just because I choose not to worship at the alter of the orange cow you resort to insulting me. YES getting arrested for a verbal altercation with police is worse than making insulting remarks to someone becasue one of those courses of conduct is a CRIME.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 4 said:
Okay.

Starting MLB gets arrested for an altercation involving police at a location where the team has been told not to go by CPF himself. Starting MLB is also a fifth year Sr. who is probably 22-23 years and should know better.

Redshirt freshman, 19-20 years old, has a prior curfew violation and says something lewd to some woman and her daughter at the mall, not very couth but certainlly not illegal and probably protected by the First Amendment for civil purposes.

To anyone with a brain that is not stored in a bone receptacle residing in PF's rectum it is pretty clear which of these is the worse offense.
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The team has been told not to go to Rocky Top Market?

Also, telling someone, "I'll kick your *ss," is a far cry from actually doing it. If Mitchell is suspended for any games, it will surprise me.
 
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(therealUT @ May 4 said:
The team has been told not to go to Rocky Top Market?

Also, telling someone, "I'll kick your *ss," is a far cry from actually doing it. If Mitchell is suspended for any games, it will surprise me.
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Qouting the Tennessean:

Also, Fulmer said he's told his players to stay away from the Rocky Top Market, where several UT athletes in past years have run into trouble with the law.

link: http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articl.../605030417/1035

threatening physical harm is assault under TN law (TCA 39-13-101) and is a Class A misdemeanor punishable by up to 11 months and 29 days in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 4 said:
Nice try but that is nowhere near what I posted. As I said, that type of behaviour is not couth. Please read my entire post before you make another libelous misrepresentation regarding me. I also find it laughable that just because I choose not to worship at the alter of the orange cow you resort to insulting me. YES getting arrested for a verbal altercation with police is worse than making insulting remarks to someone becasue one of those courses of conduct is a CRIME.
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Cry me a river! This is not insulting to me?!
"To anyone with a brain that is not stored in a bone receptacle residing in PF's rectum it is pretty clear which of these is the worse offense."

And it is amazing to me that you Fulmer haters call anyone who might agree with something CPF does as worshiping at his alter. I don't agree with everything he does. But IMO being rude to a little girl is worse than having a verbal altercation with an adult. Was MM wrong? Yes, he should have used better judgement. But I think a kid should get another chance. Do you remember Jason Respert?
 
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(VolBeef88 @ May 4 said:
But IMO being rude to a little girl is worse than having a verbal altercation with an adult.
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Okay. So you think it's better to be a criminal than to be rude. Everybody is entitled to their opinion.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 4 said:
Okay. So you think it's better to be a criminal than to be rude. Everybody is entitled to their opinion.
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I'm sorry, but a lame disorderly conduct charge is a far cry from being a criminal.
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ May 4 said:
I'm sorry, but a lame disorderly conduct charge is a far cry from being a criminal.
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The why is it against the law? If you commit a crime you are a criminal.
 
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(brg72 @ May 4 said:
"While it appears Fulmer wants to be tough on crime, the real proof will come when he kicks a player of significant importance off the team."

Lets remind this writer that James Banks was a play of significant importance that was kicked off the team.
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Let's also not forget Brent Schaeffer... He might not have technically "kicked off" the team, but his reason for leaving had everything to do with Fulmer's attempt to discipline his actions.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 4 said:
The why is it against the law? If you commit a crime you are a criminal.
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So have you ever had a speeding ticket?
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ May 4 said:
So have you ever had a speeding ticket?
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I'm not going to play your little game. This is not about me, it's about the football team and whether the recent disciplinary decisions were proper and consistent.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 4 said:
I'm not going to play your little game. This is not about me, it's about the football team and whether the recent disciplinary decisions were proper and consistent.
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Ok whatever, but you get the point.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 4 said:
The why is it against the law? If you commit a crime you are a criminal.
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(Orangewhiteblood @ May 4 said:
So have you ever had a speeding ticket?
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 4 said:
I'm not going to play your little game. This is not about me, it's about the football team and whether the recent disciplinary decisions were proper and consistent.
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Hello Mr Limbaugh :shakehead:
 
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Marvin disobeyed coach's orders on a whole number of levels.

The team has been instructed not to go to the Rocky Top since it's been a place of contention with other players.

I'm not sure if Marvin violated curfew, but I'd be surprised if Coach is happy with any of his players being out at 3:30 unless
they're headed to a tree-stand.

The team has been ORDERED to walk away from confrontation.

It always takes more of a man to walk away than to allow the testosterone to overrule the brain. I know some will follow up
with piss and vinegar, moaning and sniping, but I've found that type to be the biggest cowards on the planet anyway.

Now, most of us have failed in that situation. I have failed to walk away when I was younger.
But when you compound this with the alcohol, his judgment was
impaired, which also put him on the bad side of the staff's new tougher policies. And there's not a player
on the team who can claim they haven't been warned of the newer, tougher consequences.

If Marvin gets a 3 game suspension for this he really has no one to blame but himself.

If he threatens to leave due to multi-game suspensions, (as I've heard he has. Hopefully that was just
anger and frustration talking) don't let the door hit ya ...
 
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I can see it now...
"Hey Marvin, you had a little too much to drink. Not enough to get a public intox. You made a threatening comment, although not enough to get charged with assault. However, when the Knoxville Police Officer told you to leave Rocky Top, you told him where he can stick it. Marvin, I know that at other universities, kids are getting arrested for theft, sexual assault, assault and battery, and brandishing a firearm. I also understand that this is your first altercation of any kind. However, I do not feel like going to bat for you and instead will just suspend you for our first 3 games...it is not like we have stiff competition those first 3 weeks anyway."--CPF
 
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(therealUT @ May 4 said:
I can see it now...
"Hey Marvin, you had a little too much to drink. Not enough to get a public intox. You made a threatening comment, although not enough to get charged with assault. However, when the Knoxville Police Officer told you to leave Rocky Top, you told him where he can stick it. Marvin, I know that at other universities, kids are getting arrested for theft, sexual assault, assault and battery, and brandishing a firearm. I also understand that this is your first altercation of any kind. However, I do not feel like going to bat for you and instead will just suspend you for our first 3 games...it is not like we have stiff competition those first 3 weeks anyway."--CPF
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This is the exact philosophy that provided us with, what, 13 arrests or incidents in a 15 month period, making us the laughing stock of college football, deservedly so.

Thankfully the coach has come to his senses even if some of the fan base remains incoherent..

Perhaps you think humiliating the university is acceptable. Thankfully you're in an ever shrinking circle of inanity.
 
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Humiliating the university?

Baylor was humiliated by the scandal concerning the basketball team.

Duke was embarrassed by their lacrosse team.

I do not believe that Marvin Mitchell, a 21 year old adult, being out at 3:30 am, during the offseason mind you, and being involved in a dispute with a police officer (that will most likely never be heard in a courtroom) qualifies as humiliation for UT.
 
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(therealUT @ May 4 said:
Humiliating the university?

Baylor was humiliated by the scandal concerning the basketball team.

Duke was embarrassed by their lacrosse team.

I do not believe that Marvin Mitchell, a 21 year old adult, being out at 3:30 am, during the offseason mind you, and being involved in a dispute with a police officer (that will most likely never be heard in a courtroom) qualifies as humiliation for UT.
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You're right.
 
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