Article on the Fulmer

[utvolpj]

152-52 is the detail. NC is another detail. Nice try though. Spin anyway you like. Then go celebrate victories over Vandy and KY....oh wait.

I've never watched a Dooley coached team lose to Vandy

 

[2ironVol]

152-52 is the detail. NC is another detail. Nice try though. Spin anyway you like. Then go celebrate victories over Vandy and KY....oh wait.

If I were you, I would be careful about bashing victories over UK and Vandy. They make up 20% of Phillip's victories as a head coach.

 

[volfanecs]

If you're not behind Dooley, then you should GFY. I ma not spinning anything. I 've state facts about his tenure you can't deny. Can you explain why Fulmer got a loaded team with talent and depth and handed one over a fraction of what he had got. That's a fact you can't deny. Claiming he should still be our coach is beyond stupid. I respect the man just as much as you. Actually probably more, but I have perspective on the situation that the whole last decade the thing got ridden into the ditch. He didn't know how to rebuild because he hand NEVER DONE IT.
You lose this debate and lose it badly.
Case closed. He's never coming back nor does anyone else want him to coach their team.

It's not a surprise that most of the University of Fulmer fans are just as delusional about him as he is about himself. Too bad too.

I am behind Dooley. Showing respect for your elders is evidently beyond your scope. I would like to debate, but not with your style. Perhaps you should "GFY", whatever that means.

 

[VolFanInHawaii]

I hope fulmer does well in whatever he pursues for the rest of his professional life, and I appreciate the good years that he brought us, but I think it was time for UT to move on.

 

[Big Orange 1]

I've never watched a Dooley coached team lose to Vandy

I've never watched a Fulmer coached team lose to Kentucky.
I've never watched a Fulmer coached team not score an offensive touchdown in 20 quarters in one season.
I've never watched a Fulmer coached team finish dead last in the SEC East.

 

[volfanecs]

I've never watched a Fulmer coached team lose to Kentucky.
I've never watched a Fulmer coached team not score an offensive touchdown in 20 quarters in one season.
I've never watched a Fulmer coached team finish dead last in the SEC East.

Thank you.

 

[velovol]

I've never watched a Fulmer coached team lose to Kentucky.
I've never watched a Fulmer coached team not score an offensive touchdown in 20 quarters in one season.
I've never watched a Fulmer coached team finish dead last in the SEC East.

Most of all I never watched fulmer blame everyone but himself when he had down years

 

[2ironVol]

Most of all I never watched fulmer blame everyone but himself when he had down years

:birgits_giggle:

I trust this was a bit of sarcasm.

Ever wonder why none of these University of Fulmer fans don't answer the question as to why/how Fulmer got a loaded squad with talent and depth and then handed one over a small fraction of what he originally received?

 

[VolBeef88]

How soon people forget he is still about a good 40-60% to blame for our state of the program. Not Dooley's part, but he got us to this low. He dug his own grave by himself. Dooley never stabbed another coach in the back and kick him while he was down to advance his own career either. I personally wish Majors would have stayed on longer than he did. He biult that foundation for Fulmer and the bunch. To not see that is delusional. I liked Fulmer, kinda. Overrated for the most part though. Never was an x/o's guy at all. We all know that.

It was time for Fulmer to go. But the idiocy of those who believe the old drunk was stabbed in the back. Majors more than dug his own grave.
No surprise you like the current loser in charge of the program.
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[2ironVol]

It was time for Fulmer to go. But the idiocy of those who believe the old drunk was stabbed in the back. Majors more than dug his own grave. No surprise you like the current loser in charge of the program.
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I will certainly agree with this statement, which BTW doesn't mean he wasn't stabbed in the back too. Majors was his own worst enemy in a number of ways, but he was stabbed in the back. Both points are factual in nature.

Only the dumbest of our dumbest fans are already judging Dooley as you. I don't know if he is going to make it, but he's doing things the right way and walked into a nightmare for which people like you don't have a clue. I hope he makes it. Only the dumbest SOBs in our fanbase could make the type of assessment as you.
If you really know your football, then you should know Dooley walked into a full blown mess that no one in the country could have done any better with in the same time span.

I suppose our fanbase will always be littered with clueless punks that think because they spend a few bucks on tickets and donate to the VASF, they are better fans and have more say so in the program.

 

[Lexvol]

We would all be better off in Fulmer could have landed another coaching job by now.

 

[2ironVol]

We would all be better off in Fulmer could have landed another coaching job by now.

Which puts a stinger in the absurd notion that Phillip was some kind of legendary coach. It actually supports the opposite viewpoint that Phillip was quite possible the luckiest SOB to ever be a head coach. It also supports the notion that Phillip didn't know how to rebuild a team.

 

[Big Orange 1]

:birgits_giggle:

I trust this was a bit of sarcasm.

Ever wonder why none of these University of Fulmer fans don't answer the question as to why/how Fulmer got a loaded squad with talent and depth and then handed one over a small fraction of what he originally received?

He didnt hand over talent. The team was taken away from him because he couldnt live up to what HE had built. We're paying for a knee-jerk reaction that never should have happened without careful planning. Had all the talent that you say he "received" been coached to reach their potential, maybe he would not have been given the team.

 

[Lexvol]

Which puts a stinger in the absurd notion that Phillip was some kind of legendary coach. It actually supports the opposite viewpoint that Phillip was quite possible the luckiest SOB to ever be a head coach. It also supports the notion that Phillip didn't know how to rebuild a team.

Agree on all counts. People can rightfully sing his praises for 98 all they want to. It doesn't change the fact that nobody else trusts him with their program....and I know for an absolute fact that he has wanted to coach again.

 

[volfanecs]

We would all be better off in Fulmer could have landed another coaching job by now.

If/when Dooley is successful, CPF will fade away. VN keeps him alive because he is the last success we have known. Right or wrong. I just choose not to engage in the disrepect of name-calling.

 

[VolunteerJam]

Fulmer 11-25 lifetime vs. Tubs (Auburn), Meyer (Florida), Spurrier (Florida and SC), Richt (Georgia), Saban (Alabama and LSU), and Miles (LSU). 141-27 vs. the rest of SEC and NC opponents. Regardless of who is the coach at Tennessee, if you can't beat these 5 schools on a somewhat regular basis - Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, and LSU - you aren't going to survive long-term. When the SEC cycled up in talent and coaching talent, Fulmer was no longer competitive. Nothing personal against him. But, at the end of the day there is always somebody better than you are. Ultimately, our main SEC competitors all pretty much simultaneously got better than we were.

 

[2ironVol]

He didnt hand over talent. The team was taken away from him because he couldnt live up to what HE had built. We're paying for a knee-jerk reaction that never should have happened without careful planning. Had all the talent that you say he "received" been coached to reach their potential, maybe he would not have been given the team.

He didn't put the Vols back to national relevance, Majors did. There was plenty of careful planning in removing him. He was given every opportunity after the 2002 season to get it back and never quite did, with some years like 2005 and 2008 being debacles.

Once again people like you don't get it. Fulmer GOT a team loaded with quality talent and depth and when he handed it over in 2008 it was nowhere near the program he inherited. Not remotely near the ball park of the same team

 

[VolBeef88]

I will certainly agree with this statement, which BTW doesn't mean he wasn't stabbed in the back too. Majors was his own worst enemy in a number of ways, but he was stabbed in the back. Both points are factual in nature.

Only the dumbest of our dumbest fans are already judging Dooley as you. I don't know if he is going to make it, but he's doing things the right way and walked into a nightmare for which people like you don't have a clue. I hope he makes it. Only the dumbest SOBs in our fanbase could make the type of assessment as you.
If you really know your football, then you should know Dooley walked into a full blown mess that no one in the country could have done any better with in the same time span.

I suppose our fanbase will always be littered with clueless punks that think because they spend a few bucks on tickets and donate to the VASF, they are better fans and have more say so in the program.

Ok smart guy. Tell me how he was stabbed in the back? Dickey didn't want Fulmer you buffoon! Dickey wanted a clean slate. He wanted all of Majors guys gone. It was the teams turn around while JM was out that got all the big $ guys to demand Fulmer. Dickey and Fulmer weren't close until a few years AFTER Fulmer was head coach. If you wanna lap up the garbage spewed by that old drunk the so be it. But don't think your opinion on that matter is fact. Because it isn't.
As far as Dooley, my opinion of him is based on shiitty coaching, shiitty management and mediocre recruiting.
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[velovol]

:birgits_giggle:

I trust this was a bit of sarcasm.

Ever wonder why none of these University of Fulmer fans don't answer the question as to why/how Fulmer got a loaded squad with talent and depth and then handed one over a small fraction of what he originally received?

wow what you said had NOTHING to do with my point

 

[2ironVol]

Ok smart guy. Tell me how he was stabbed in the back? Dickey didn't want Fulmer you buffoon! Dickey wanted a clean slate. He wanted all of Majors guys gone. It was the teams turn around while JM was out that got all the big $ guys to demand Fulmer. Dickey and Fulmer weren't close until a few years AFTER Fulmer was head coach. If you wanna lap up the garbage spewed by that old drunk the so be it. But don't think your opinion on that matter is fact. Because it isn't.
As far as Dooley, my opinion of him is based on shiitty coaching, shiitty management and mediocre recruiting.
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Dooley's recruiting is anything but mediocre, but I am not going to argue with you. You're still way behind in your education.

Anytime an assistant coach goes to the AD without the HC's knowledge and says he is "speaking" for the team, then it's a stab in the back. I haven't lapped up anything Majors has said, but the fact you and other dumbasses like you, call him a old drunk, makes you look more ignorant than you have already shown to be in your "opinions". I know Majors was his own worst enemy and the BOTs were already thinking change before the 1992 season. That still doesn't mitigate the fact that Fulmer went to Dickey in the middle of the season after Majors had returned.

Regardless, Phillip inherited a loaded team from Majors and then allowed it all to slowly dive after the 1998 NC

 

[UTwild82]

First off, Phillip Fulmer deserves some respect as he won two SEC Championships and a National Championship for the University of Tennessee. Having said that, I feel Fulmer is looked upon by some with the rosy lenses of nostalgia because (as others have pointed out) he was the last success we have known.

PF was like Mack Brown; a great recruiter who is not the X's and O's guy. He had two fantastic assistants (Cutcliffe and Chavis) to run the O and D. That was his job, bring in the 4 and 5 stars and let those two coach them up. And up until 2001, that worked very well. After that, he seemingly got lazy. I can't say that for sure, because I wasn't there, but we looked very mediocre those several years.

As far as winning big games, how many did we really win? The 1998 NC game was one by 7 points against a team starting a 3rd string QB. We lost to Florida in 97, but thankfully they choked in two SEC games and we got in. Once we got there, we barely skated by a mediocre Auburn team. Let's not even get in that year's Orange Bowl vs Nebraska. Then there is the 2001 season, where we looked very average against a 3 loss LSU team. Saban took a less talented team and beat us. Almost every time Fulmer went against an Osborne, Paterno, Spurrier, Saban, or Meyer he lost.

As someone else pointed out, the early to mid 2000's saw the coaching in the SEC improve by leaps and bounds. Saban, Miles, Meyer, and Richt all came in and Fulmers wins diminished. Athletes saw that, and many of them decided to go play there instead.

Sorry if I sound like a Negavol, as I am not. But I do wonder about all of this pining away for Fulmer. Give Dooley a shot and see what he can do. Fulmer's gone. JMO

 

[2ironVol]

wow what you said had NOTHING to do with my point

What was your point? LOL

It was sarcastic, right? I surely hope so

 

[Alto1]

First off, Phillip Fulmer deserves some respect as he won two SEC Championships and a National Championship for the University of Tennessee. Having said that, I feel Fulmer is looked upon by some with the rosy lenses of nostalgia because (as others have pointed out) he was the last success we have known.

PF was like Mack Brown; a great recruiter who is not the X's and O's guy. He had two fantastic assistants (Cutcliffe and Chavis) to run the O and D. That was his job, bring in the 4 and 5 stars and let those two coach them up. And up until 2001, that worked very well. After that, he seemingly got lazy. I can't say that for sure, because I wasn't there, but we looked very mediocre those several years.

As far as winning big games, how many did we really win? The 1998 NC game was one by 7 points against a team starting a 3rd string QB. We lost to Florida in 97, but thankfully they choked in two SEC games and we got in. Once we got there, we barely skated by a mediocre Auburn team. Let's not even get in that year's Orange Bowl vs Nebraska. Then there is the 2001 season, where we looked very average against a 3 loss LSU team. Saban took a less talented team and beat us. Almost every time Fulmer went against an Osborne, Paterno, Spurrier, Saban, or Meyer he lost.

As someone else pointed out, the early to mid 2000's saw the coaching in the SEC improve by leaps and bounds. Saban, Miles, Meyer, and Richt all came in and Fulmers wins diminished. Athletes saw that, and many of them decided to go play there instead.

Sorry if I sound like a Negavol, as I am not. But I do wonder about all of this pining away for Fulmer. Give Dooley a shot and see what he can do. Fulmer's gone. JMO

I agree 100% Well stated!!!!! :good!:

 

[VolBeef88]

Dooley's recruiting is anything but mediocre, but I am not going to argue with you. You're still way behind in your education.

Anytime an assistant coach goes to the AD without the HC's knowledge and says he is "speaking" for the team, then it's a stab in the back. I haven't lapped up anything Majors has said, but the fact you and other dumbasses like you, call him a old drunk, makes you look more ignorant than you have already shown to be in your "opinions". I know Majors was his own worst enemy and the BOTs were already thinking change before the 1992 season. That still doesn't mitigate the fact that Fulmer went to Dickey in the middle of the season after Majors had returned.

Regardless, Phillip inherited a loaded team from Majors and then allowed it all to slowly dive after the 1998 NC

This post is more evidence that shows just how much of a blithering idiot you are. There are few if any people on this planet with half the ego of Doug Dickey and if you really believe Fulmer went and demanded anything you're a bigger fool than I thought. Dickey would've had him escorted off campus immediately had he done that.
As far as me calling JM an old drunk goes. I lost all respect for him when I saw him IN PERSON bash UT in front of fans of another school. JM knows me through various events etc over the years. He didn't realize anyone was in that crowd he knew. Afterwards he was shocked to see my partner and I. So defend him all you want. He more than earned what he got and he has flat out lied about how things went down. Period. Now do the world a favor and go kill yourself.
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[VolBeef88]

Dooley's recruiting is anything but mediocre, but I am not going to argue with you. You're still way behind in your education.

Anytime an assistant coach goes to the AD without the HC's knowledge and says he is "speaking" for the team, then it's a stab in the back. I haven't lapped up anything Majors has said, but the fact you and other dumbasses like you, call him a old drunk, makes you look more ignorant than you have already shown to be in your "opinions". I know Majors was his own worst enemy and the BOTs were already thinking change before the 1992 season. That still doesn't mitigate the fact that Fulmer went to Dickey in the middle of the season after Majors had returned.

Regardless, Phillip inherited a loaded team from Majors and then allowed it all to slowly dive after the 1998 NC

You must work for the Federal Gov if you don't think he's mediocre in recruiting. The Federal Gov is the only entity that could say a guy with more $ than anyone in the nation to do a job and finishes outside the top 10 in one ranking and outside the top 20 in the other 2 is any better than mediocre.
So how's your mail route?
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