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molsen81

molsen81

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As much as I'm fed up with Fulmer, those numbers are impressive. It also makes you think what would we really expect from the football program if he's gone. Lately, I've read several articles that argue Fulmer's case. Are we overreacting? Well, I'm still upset at the state of the football program, but now I'm a little confused. Here's the link in case you missed it.
Scout.com: Cavalcade of Whimsy - The Upset Fallout
 
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his casual mention of a 10 year drought, as if it pales to all of the other mentions should tell you all you need to know about his point of view.
 
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It is not about any one-loss "whimsy." It is a body of work that has been nothing but lackluster over the past SEVERAL seasons:

* 2002-2004 were mediocre.
* 2005 was a losing season.
* 2006-07 were respectable, but only because David Cutcliffe actually did some coaching on offense (although Chavis regressed).
* 2008 is quite possibly going to be the second losing season in the past 4 years.

Fulmer cannot live off of the 1990s forever.
 
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Most of the numbers are based on the his overall career. There has been an drop off post-1998. That is just afact that cannot be denied. I think I read that 63% of his losses have come in the past seven years. Tennessee played for the East with three losses, and they LOST. No conference championships since 1998. the only decade in which UTK has not won a SEC championship, excluding this one, was 1970s and guess what, the head coach got fired. the crap about the UCLA loss is laughable. We're supopsed to give the Vols staff a pass because the UCLA staff tried really really hard and over prepared?!? WTH?!

I know you said you are fed up with Phil but if you want to throw something out there to get people back on the fence I'd suggest that you are better off just resorting to the old standards about loyalty, being a Tennessee man, bleeding orange, 1998, etc. That stuff still seems to sell with some people.
 
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The problem with 16 year old statistics is that you can have them front loaded, and they also don't tell the subjective material of reasoning. Football is an ever evolving entity, and strategy must be advancing with times. CPF has proven that he does not advance with the times. I thought to myself when he hired the Clawson gang, that he had finally evolved. He is moving towards a modern offense. However, when you do not allow your OC to run his offense to the full potential, you play a QB who shouldn't be starting, you blame your RB for mistakes he doesn't make, you need to give up and just leave.
 
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Winning 10 games in 3 of the last 5 seasons doesn't sound like a drought of success. Guess it all depends on one's definition of success.

Also hard to argue with his last paragraph:

"It might be time for new blood and 17 years usually is too long for a coach to be in one spot, but just remember, whomever comes in, you’ll probably be happy if he ends up with Fulmer’s résumé when he’s all said and done"
 
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It is easy to argue with those facts. Most fans are these days. Anyone who wasn't well aware of them before reading that article needs to read more threads on this board because it has all been layed out in great detail. The facts reflect a sharp drop-off in the last six years. Those are the facts.
 
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I wish people quit using national title,UGA and Richt in the same sentance. Its never gonna happen.
 
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Yeah I agree with your points. Those of us who follow the program see what's reall going on. People who don't really pay attention see the overall record and think "wow".
 
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If they got rid of Fulmer and hired a new coach and he wasn't instantly successful, everyone would be screaming to get of him after his first 2 years. Unless we could steal one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the game right now, we'll be no better off.
 
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His numbers are what they are and cannot be ignored. He is a HOF coach with a long tenure and a record that would make most coaches get tickled to think they might retire with. No matter what happens this season.
 
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very valid points....I have respect for Fulmer and everything he has given this program, but I just think he is past his prime and the program needs to head in a different direction...I am no expert nor do I claim to be, I'm just a fan. But I think we deserve more than mediocrity year in and year out. When Fulmer won that national championship in 98, unfortunately he raised the bar on himself and the expectations of the fans. I don't think he should just be fired, but I do think if we can't turn it around this season and if some changes aren't made, he should resign. Just my opinion
 
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VolBeef88 said:
His numbers are what they are and cannot be ignored. He is a HOF coach with a long tenure and a record that would make most coaches get tickled to think they might retire with. No matter what happens this season.
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I agree with you
 
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Rebuilding year? I haven't heard that from anyone until now. Lose some games and all of a sudden and we are "rebuilding". Sweet. Wish I could of have told my boss that. Hey, I'm rebuilding this year.
 
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My thoughts are, yes we are in a type of rebuilding year, with so many new faces you can't help but assume this, Before ucla's kick off I'd already figured on 8-4 or 7-5 season and hopefully a bowl victory.Selfishly hoping for a Liberty Bowl so I can go in person
This is still possible and very probable.
Yes, we all hoped crompton would rise up and be the leader he should be, he's only been their 3 yrs ? Well this didn't happen.
We now fall back onto our senior back, knowing in our heart he wont let us down
and he'll come thru for us and well again we were fooled as he has had a couple of miscues.Some his fault some not.
Now we're left with our wonderful D, they've kept us in every game and given our offense the chance to win. Only for our offense to let us/them down and not do it.
So what are we left with...people crying for CPF's head, people wanting to hire coaches that have just been fired and yes a rebuilding year.
Just in case you get your wish and a new coach, how long will you give him to win?
2 years is all it took bama to be in national title talks so is that reasonable?
I doubt that'll happen and we'll go thru a rebuilding "period" not a year.
So just be ready for Vandy status and have 2 or 3 win seasons.
Just becareful what you ask for, you might get it!

All I ask is have faith in the team and that coach will turn it around, maybe you hate on him so much because down deep you know he will do just that and we'll be stuck with one of the winningest SEC coaches ever, that'll suck
 
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molsen81 said:
As much as I'm fed up with Fulmer, those numbers are impressive. It also makes you think what would we really expect from the football program if he's gone. Lately, I've read several articles that argue Fulmer's case. Are we overreacting? Well, I'm still upset at the state of the football program, but now I'm a little confused. Here's the link in case you missed it.
Scout.com: Cavalcade of Whimsy - The Upset Fallout
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i wasnt on the bandwagon of getting rid of fulmer till now but it is obvious its time for him to go. Like someone else done said he is a coach of the 90s, football has changed the type of offense it takes to be successfull and adjustments that need to be done in the middle of a game not after. Crompton should have been pulled at halftime in both the florida and auburn game and now is still givin crompton a chance to win his job back!!!! He has been a great coach but i am truly convinced its time for him to go
 
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Phil can't compete with today's sec. The end. Want proof? Look at his record against anyone of relevance.
 
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volmanbill said:
Winning 10 games in 3 of the last 5 seasons doesn't sound like a drought of success. Guess it all depends on one's definition of success.

Also hard to argue with his last paragraph:

"It might be time for new blood and 17 years usually is too long for a coach to be in one spot, but just remember, whomever comes in, you’ll probably be happy if he ends up with Fulmer’s résumé when he’s all said and done"
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A 10 win season isn't what it used to be. Especially last year considering we played 14 games.
 
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Winning 10 games was a much greater accomplishment when you only had 11 or 12 tries.
 
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I dont see how anyone can "take up" for PF with a straight face. I dont care about his stats from 10 years ago....our teams were LOADED with 1st round NFL talent then, and we got EXTREMELY lucky in a LOT of games in 98...just like last year. I love the VOLS, and always will regardless of their record. But how can anyone look at our game plans, constant mistakes (over and over again) etc. over the last 8 years and not see we are getting badly out-coached??? We dont get the level of talented players that we used to get, cause they go to Urban Meyer, Mark Richt and Nick Saban where the players BELIEVE in the coaches. PF was great for this program.....just not anymore. HE should exit stage left graciously, and not run this program into the ground before the Admin is forced to run him off.....he doesnt deserve to go out like that.
 
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Can we really have it both ways? Can we go around telling everyone how the SEC is the best conference and the East is the best division, then raise holy hell when there isn't a conference title and BCS game every two years?
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Can we really have it both ways? Can we go around telling everyone how the SEC is the best conference and the East is the best division, then raise holy hell when there isn't a conference title and BCS game every two years?
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try 10 years
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Can we really have it both ways? Can we go around telling everyone how the SEC is the best conference and the East is the best division, then raise holy hell when there isn't a conference title and BCS game every two years?
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Huh? Did I sleep through a few?
 
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