Article:CoachSpeak..Vols in Chattanooga

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jakez4ut said:
nah, i don't think that will happen....
but i do agree on the next coach, whenever and whoever it is, hopefully is a homerun....

i have no desire to go thru the ron zooks, gerry dinardos, mike duboses, and ray goffs of the world....

and honestly, i don't think that will happen. the good news for us is when that time does come, TN has only had 2 coaches in the past, what 25+ years?

we have a history of longevity, so that may attract some of the top guys on our "list"....plus it's not like the cupboard would be bare or we don't have tradition, money, fanbase, facilities etc, etc, etc....

when this job comes open, it might very well be one of, if not the most attractive job in the country--at that time.
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Correct Jake. UT has a history of hiring the right man for the job. Even I can argue that CPF was that man when he was hired. He was much younger and hungry for a championship at that point. They are more likely to hire the right man than they are to whiff on the opportunity.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Winning percentage vs UF: 33% (5-10)
Bowl game winning percentage: 50% (7-7)
Winning percentage vs Richt: 33% (2-4)
Winning percentage vs ranked SEC west opponenets (incl. SEC championship games): 53% (9-8)
Winning percentage vs ranked OOC opponenents (bowls excluded): 73% (8-3)

I see one shining area of success in those numbers.
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You failed to point out winning % vs. Alabama, and that is absolutely crutial. See Ohio State vs. Michigan and coach Cooper.
 
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lacrossepro70 said:
You failed to point out winning % vs. Alabama, and that is absolutely crutial. See Ohio State vs. Michigan and coach Cooper.
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You mean Alabama during the Mike Dubose years, later to be followed by years of severely reduced scholarships?
 
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lacrossepro70 said:
You failed to point out winning % vs. Alabama, and that is absolutely crutial. See Ohio State vs. Michigan and coach Cooper.
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Not to mention our big rival, the one we have to go through to win an SEC championship, is Florida. We can lose to Florida, beat Alabama and have to count on Florida losing two games for us to go to the championship game.
 
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Godfatha said:
Not to mention our big rival, the one we have to go through to win an SEC championship, is Florida. We can lose to Florida, beat Alabama and have to count on Florida losing two games for us to go to the championship game.
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Now you are talking about an entirely different point. My point is that the statistics didn't include the record vs. Alabama.
 
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lacrossepro70 said:
Does it matter why we beat the snot out of them for years?
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Bama ceased to be UT's primary rival as soon as the schools were placed in separate divisions. I also agree with what Godfatha said about the Mikes/reduced scholarship situation. Bama just hasn't been very good for much of Phil's tenure. Post-Stallings, Bama has been in the category of teams that I fully expect UT to beat just about every time they play, same as Vandy, KY, SC and the MS schools. And I do remember the 70s.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Bama ceased to be UT's primary rival as soon as the schools were placed in separate divisions. I also agree with what Godfatha said about the Mikes/reduced scholarship situation. Bama just hasn't been very good for much of Phil's tenure. Post-Stallings, Bama has been in the category of teams that I fully expect UT to beat just about every time they play, same as Vandy, KY, SC and the MS schools. And I do remember the 70s.
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Bama is still our primary rival, and beating them is important no matter where, when or how it is accomplished.
 
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Lexvol said:
Bama is still our primary rival, and beating them is important no matter where, when or how it is accomplished.
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I know where you are coming from on this, but I think in the minds of younger fans (and a few older ones as well) Bama is not a rival on the level of UF, or even UGA at this point.
 
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Lexvol said:
Correct Jake. UT has a history of hiring the right man for the job. Even I can argue that CPF was that man when he was hired. He was much younger and hungry for a championship at that point. They are more likely to hire the right man than they are to whiff on the opportunity.
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i know i was for it.
Godfatha said:
You mean Alabama during the Mike Dubose years, later to be followed by years of severely reduced scholarships?
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i do think that has something to do with the reason that not only CPF but also Peyton Manning gets little if any credit for calling Bama a big game. i don't agree with it, but i understand it. when Bama was beating us regularly, we were both generally top 10-15 or better playing each other regularly.....when we owned them, they were down, we were up. that's not really debatable. but it is interesting that if you go back and remember, when we beat Bama in 95..........that was a HUGE deal for TN.......that was still a BIG game......and it was the next year too. after that is when Bama really kind started down hill. looking back on it now, it has lost some of it's shine.........but i remember how i felt after that game in 95.....and it was G O O D.

VolunteerHillbilly said:
I know where you are coming from on this, but I think in the minds of younger fans (and a few older ones as well) Bama is not a rival on the level of UF, or even UGA at this point.
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you know what.......i fall in to that category every year..........then Bama week hits and i get reminded very quickly how much i hate the tide. i was more animated during last year's game with Bama than i was for either the GA or FL game.....my wife was like "what's the big deal?"......

so, we do talk more about GA and FL.......but i know in my heart, every October, it happens. I do hate bama more than anyone else we play......i just forget 11 of the 12 weeks each season.

orange+white=heaven said:
That this is true makes it no less a shame. The bitterness we old guard fans feel for Bama is well founded.
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:thumbsup:
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I know where you are coming from on this, but I think in the minds of younger fans (and a few older ones as well) Bama is not a rival on the level of UF, or even UGA at this point.
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From a rational standpoint, you're absolutely right. I realize that beating UF and UGA is "more important" because they're both divisional games. But for me (and a lot of fans who are old enough to remember Alabama back when they were, well, Alabama), nothing in all of sports gets the blood boiling like orange against crimson. That one isn't about anything so trite as winning the division; it's Good versus Evil time.

(In fact, I suspect that the UT-Alabama rivalry is the biggest reason why the SEC has every team play a permanent opponent from the other division. None of the other cross-division rivalries have any teeth to them. I know Georgia-Auburn is "the South's oldest rivalry," as they bill it, but it's like a friendly card game compared to Tennessee-Alabama.)
 
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Vercingetorix said:
(In fact, I suspect that the UT-Alabama rivalry is the biggest reason why the SEC has every team play a permanent opponent from the other division. None of the other cross-division rivalries have any teeth to them. I know Georgia-Auburn is "the South's oldest rivalry," as they bill it, but it's like a friendly card game compared to Tennessee-Alabama.)
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It was in fact, the direct reason. Well, as you say, that and UGA/Aubie. And Georgia Auburn still has its teeth as well.

I liked Tennessee/Auburn as a regular game back then too though.
And I wish we still played Ga.Tech regularly as well..
Those were good series' back in the day...

Alabama / Tennessee.. For some of us, that will never change...
 
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Vercingetorix said:
From a rational standpoint, you're absolutely right. I realize that beating UF and UGA is "more important" because they're both divisional games. But for me (and a lot of fans who are old enough to remember Alabama back when they were, well, Alabama), nothing in all of sports gets the blood boiling like orange against crimson. That one isn't about anything so trite as winning the division; it's Good versus Evil time. (In fact, I suspect that the UT-Alabama rivalry is the biggest reason why the SEC has every team play a permanent opponent from the other division. None of the other cross-division rivalries have any teeth to them. I know Georgia-Auburn is "the South's oldest rivalry," as they bill it, but it's like a friendly card game compared to Tennessee-Alabama.)
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Well said
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
That this is true makes it no less a shame. The bitterness we old guard fans feel for Bama is well founded.
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I know what you mean. Last week I went to Disney World and stopped at a Chik-fil-A in Gainesville. All the national title t-shirts had me sick to my stomach, but then I saw a guy in a Bama cap and I had a visceral urge to kick him in the shins.:p
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
It was in fact, the direct reason. Well, as you say, that and UGA/Aubie. And Georgia Auburn still has its teeth as well.

I liked Tennessee/Auburn as a regular game back then too though.
And I wish we still played Ga.Tech regularly as well..
Those were good series' back in the day...

Alabama / Tennessee.. For some of us, that will never change...
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I tell you what, I've lived in Georgia for a dozen years now and it just doesn't seem like much of a rivalry. Maybe it's because it's always sandwiched in between the UF and Tech games for Georgia, but people here just don't talk about that game very much at all. You never hear "AUBURN WEEK!" or anything. If it weren't for the TV announcers dutifully telling us every year that "this is the Deep South's oldest rivalry," you'd never know it.

UT/Auburn was a very good game; losing that game every year was the scheduling thing that bothered me the most when the SEC went to two divisions. And I definitely miss the Tech series; I'd like to see them resurrect that one for a home-and-home once a decade or so. Maybe that way UT could actually win a game in Atlanta again...
 
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