Arkansas (& possibly UT) suing Iamaleava family

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17Vols said:
Agreed. Danny White isn’t dumb enough to not see what a PR issue this would cause for a measly amount of NIL money. Let Ark set the precedence and be the bad guy.
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Wouldn’t be white, it would be Spyre. I think we’re happy to let this just go away. Nic and company want to say payments were missed when we never missed one and he missed multiple events that he was supposed to attend. I think at some point you go full blown Ahole on them and file suit.
 
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Godfatha said:
I'd just leave it be. The court of opinion is in your favor and the potential negative impact it could have on recruiting far outweighs whatever meager amount (relative to UT money) UT could get.
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It is this mindset that has allow these chasing bags players to run amok. F'em, Sue'em.
 
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05_never_again said:
Correct. In fact, they kind of already have done this. Someone from their camp already told Chris Low for his article today that Heupel + staff made him "false promises" about the roster for next year.

I don't know if Nico is or not, but his entourage is a complete joke. The crazy thing is that UCLA seems to know what they are getting into with them because Madden already jilted them and they've seen how Nico left Tennessee. They are kind of a desperate program though, and Nico does have NFL arm talent, so I guess I can see why.
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Yeah, no where close to breach or contract or relevant to his NIL deal and payments at all.
 
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05_never_again said:
Correct. In fact, they kind of already have done this. Someone from their camp already told Chris Low for his article today that Heupel + staff made him "false promises" about the roster for next year.

I don't know if Nico is or not, but his entourage is a complete joke. The crazy thing is that UCLA seems to know what they are getting into with them because Madden already jilted them and they've seen how Nico left Tennessee. They are kind of a desperate program though, and Nico does have NFL arm talent, so I guess I can see why.
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Yeah but for 4 million, the family doesn’t care about those promises.

I call BS on the fam. They have already shown to be liars
 
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If reports of Nico not showing or leaving NIL events early are true then I’m sure they could possibly recoup some money. He didn’t completely fulfill his obligations so on the surface it seems there would be a case there. As for Madden, I highly doubt he completed all of his NIL obligations from January-present so Arkansas probably has a better case of recouping their money. It really depends on how the contracts are worded though so it’s anyone’s best guess 🤷‍♂️
 
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Godfatha said:
I'd just leave it be. The court of opinion is in your favor and the potential negative impact it could have on recruiting far outweighs whatever meager amount (relative to UT money) UT could get.
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Short term you are probably right. But UF is dealing with a lawsuit from a player accusing UF of not living up to an agreement, so what is good for the goose ....

Long term, the only thing that could make NIL and the portal worse is if players could simply ignore their commitments altogether, leaving teams scrambling (much as they already are) to build a roster with the ground constantly shifting under their feet.
 
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VolPack22 said:
If reports of Nico not showing or leaving NIL events early are true then I’m sure they could possibly recoup some money. He didn’t completely fulfill his obligations so on the surface it seems there would be a case there. As for Madden, I highly doubt he completed all of his NIL obligations from January-present so Arkansas probably has a better case of recouping their money. It really depends on how the contracts are worded though so it’s anyone’s best guess 🤷‍♂️
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100% this.
We have heard reports that Nico didn't do some off the field things, but we have also heard that he left alot of money on the table by not doing those things.
So maybe he was paid on a per appearance deal and there is nothing to sue over.
We really have no idea.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Spend $500K to potentially collect up to $200K? The courts are liberal and will find in favor of the "student athlete" 99.9% of the time
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This is not the student athlete vs the school but the student athlete vs the collective (independent from the school) that is helping them make a profit with their NIL. That is a binding contract worth money to which the athlete is required to participate in certain events for a specific timeframe.

The decision will depend upon the contents of the contract.
 
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I don't know how these contracts are written but they should not be front loaded. There should be clear and concise requirements the athlete must meet in order to obtain anything - otherwise the athlete should owe the money back. And if the athlete doesn't want to do that - then let them do their own "looking for ways to make money on their NIL".
 
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volfan102455 said:
This is not the student athlete vs the school but the student athlete vs the collective (independent from the school) that is helping them make a profit with their NIL. That is a binding contract worth money to which the athlete is required to participate in certain events for a specific timeframe.

The decision will depend upon the contents of the contract.
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Yeah, but the collective is going to do what school tells them to do.

It's "independence" in name only
 
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Well, you can't do fake NIL any other way. It works the way it has to work.

The law office that did Nico's contract blew the lid off because they thought it was good for their business and they're basically children. They said that Nico got a $350,000 signing bonus as a junior in high school, and that the reported 8 million was back loaded. Like his pay was maybe 0.5,1,2,4 for 4 years but don't quote me on that.
 
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Firebirdparts said:
Well, you can't do fake NIL any other way. It works the way it has to work.

The law office that did Nico's contract blew the lid off because they thought it was good for their business and they're basically children. They said that Nico got a $350,000 signing bonus as a junior in high school, and that the reported 8 million was back loaded. Like his pay was maybe 0.5,1,2,4 for 4 years but don't quote me on that.
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Believe the $350 k upfront payment to Nico would have been when he was a senior-or at least going into his senior season We made our heavy push for him during the 22 season didn't we? Nico was in the Orange Bowl practices a few months later.


As I have said on here several times, I understand fully why we had to do what we did with Nico. Make it known we were gonna be players again and lead the way with the NIL stuff. I just wish we had found someone who actually wanted to be here.
 
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05_never_again said:
Correct. In fact, they kind of already have done this. Someone from their camp already told Chris Low for his article today that Heupel + staff made him "false promises" about the roster for next year.

I don't know if Nico is or not, but his entourage is a complete joke. The crazy thing is that UCLA seems to know what they are getting into with them because Madden already jilted them and they've seen how Nico left Tennessee. They are kind of a desperate program though, and Nico does have NFL arm talent, so I guess I can see why.
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He does have an NFL arm and quick release, but he is no way close yet to having even elite college level field vision and anticipation. The more I read about this guy, I wonder how much film time he put in.
 
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Godfatha said:
I'd just leave it be. The court of opinion is in your favor and the potential negative impact it could have on recruiting far outweighs whatever meager amount (relative to UT money) UT could get.
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Maybe. But it also would send an even bigger message to athletes. Why not go at it now when the court of public opinion is with you? It’s not about the money
 
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DaddyChad said:
Wouldn’t be white, it would be Spyre. I think we’re happy to let this just go away. Nic and company want to say payments were missed when we never missed one and he missed multiple events that he was supposed to attend. I think at some point you go full blown Ahole on them and file suit.
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Couldn’t payment timing and payments easily be proven in court?
 
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Voltrapnbama said:
Couldn’t payment timing and payments easily be proven in court?
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They could be proven. Not only that either, the AD audits Spyre on stuff like this. If promised payments weren’t being fulfilled it would be a problem. I have no doubt spyre probably has tried to encourage Nico to hold up his end of the contract though.
 
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DaddyChad said:
They could be proven. Not only that either, the AD audits Spyre on stuff like this. If promised payments weren’t being fulfilled it would be a problem. I have no doubt spyre probably has tried to encourage Nico to hold up his end of the contract though.
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I agree, it’s a double edge sword. I’m saying if UT WAS to go that route, surely they have all that together that payments were either made or held because of example a or b. Nico couldn’t just throw out there that payments were missed and prove it. If that happened and UT couldn’t counter, that would be bad!
 
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Voltrapnbama said:
I agree, it’s a double edge sword. I’m saying if UT WAS to go that route, surely they have all that together that payments were either made or held because of example a or b. Nico couldn’t just throw out there that payments were missed and prove it. If that happened and UT couldn’t counter, that would be bad!
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You can throw a lot of BS out in the media. Spyre can’t afford to not fulfill contracts; Nico side has showed at every opportunity that they’re clowns. Now spyre could have withheld payments if Nico wasn’t honoring the contract; I doubt that even happened though. If this gets ugly though I would bet the law is on the side of spyre.
 
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Voltrapnbama said:
I agree, it’s a double edge sword. I’m saying if UT WAS to go that route, surely they have all that together that payments were either made or held because of example a or b. Nico couldn’t just throw out there that payments were missed and prove it. If that happened and UT couldn’t counter, that would be bad!
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If Spyre had missed payments there would have lawsuits.
 
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