Arizona Election Audit

[BowlBrother85]

No, there is a great rift in the country. You don't have civil unrest when things are going "well". We are not coming together, people are digging in, entrenching themselves without using common sense. We are minimizing personal responsibility and rewarding impulsiveness.

I'm not sure how people could look at the current climate of this country and come to the conclusion the country is doing well.

The home ownership rate in the United States has risen to 65.8%. That isn't far from where it was just before the financial crisis of 2008. The unemployment rate is 6%. All things considered... that is not bad at all. What do people think of when they hear "The American Dream"? A job in their chosen field, and their own home. That is much more important to people than any political divide.

 

[lawgator1]

LOL. Fund the audit.

 

[Tastylicks]

Still waiting to here what your savior has done?

My savior is Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He died for our sins and was resurrected, among other accomplishments

 

[tnmarktx]

My savior is Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He died for our sins and was resurrected, among other accomplishments

I'm sorry to tell you, if you vote Democrat their policies are in direct conflict with your savior. That being said, I respect your answer of who your savior is.

 

[NCFisher]

Why not just hire an objective, independent auditor the first time around? They do exist.

The Maricopa audit in Feb. likely fits your criteria, yet here we are with a second audit. No one trust anyone. And there are FOUR companies performing the audit: Wake Technology Services, CyFIR, Digital Discovery and Cyber Ninjas. Why did you not mention this? I think you're a congenital liar. Or a willing lemming.

It's been ordered by AZ Senate Repubs. If they come up empty, it's over and to some degree is extrapolated nationally, and damages the general claim of fraud. If they claim substantial fraud, it will be contested and a reconciliation of facts will occur. This was going to be an antagonistic process with or without the Feb. audit.

 

[NCFisher]

This is so stupid. If Arizona's Republican-controlled state legislature genuinely cared about the integrity of the democratic system of elections in the United States as they claim, then they would not have hired Doug Logan's firm to conduct the audit. You are a tool, who would defend anything done by a Republican.

That's already been done, and yet here we are with another audit. That you take my statement as defense of this audit demonstrates your slothfulness of thought.

And to the contrary, I throw Republicans under the bus for the numerous election violations they tolerated in the states in which they control the legislature. I fault them for knuckling under and ceding this country- for decades - one institution at a time to Marxists masquerading as Democrats, then being surprised when we have a year of Marxist violence and insurrection. While the people you vote for and whose media you consume unquestioningly, provide cover for them.

I think I've a stronger case to make of being a conscientious American than you, "stupid tool".

And there are FOUR companies performing the audit: Wake Technology Services, CyFIR, Digital Discovery and Cyber Ninjas. Why did you not mention this? I think you're a congenital liar. Or a willing lemming.

 

[VolinWayne]

LOL. Fund the audit.

I assume you'd prefer our tax dollars pay for this??

 

[lawgator1]

I assume you'd prefer our tax dollars pay for this??

I'd prefer no one advance $ for this nonsense. But if anyone ought to pay for it, it ought to be Trump, himself.

Practice Tip: Get the money up front.

 

[VolinWayne]

 

[VolinWayne]

I'd prefer no one advance $ for this nonsense. But if anyone ought to pay for it, it ought to be Trump, himself.

Practice Tip: Get the money up front.

You are clueless if you think this is all about Trump

 

[Tastylicks]

I'd prefer no one advance $ for this nonsense. But if anyone ought to pay for it, it ought to be Trump, himself.

Practice Tip: Get the money up front.

Trump dont pay for anything. He made a killing off this "voter fraud" escapade. He begs for donations and yet other people pay for the legal fees

 

[AM64]

The home ownership rate in the United States has risen to 65.8%. That isn't far from where it was just before the financial crisis of 2008. The unemployment rate is 6%. All things considered... that is not bad at all. What do people think of when they hear "The American Dream"? A job in their chosen field, and their own home. That is much more important to people than any political divide.

We've done the big push for people to own homes before - didn't go well. It's a nice measure, but it only means something if people who buy homes do so on their own (without government intervention) and can afford the home and the mortgage. Since there are apparently no massive stories of default (other than covid rules clamping down on evictions), you may be right; we'll see post covid totalitarianism.

 

[TN Ribs]

Trump dont pay for anything. He made a killing off this "voter fraud" escapade. He begs for donations and yet other people pay for the legal fees

That's one of the main reasons he continues to push "The Big Lie", it's another grift for Trump and he knows his base will believe anything and shell out their hard earned cash supporting the scam.

 

[lawgator1]

You are clueless if you think this is all about Trump

And you are a fool if you think it is about anything BUT Trump.

 

[Tastylicks]

That's one of the main reasons he continues to push "The Big Lie", it's another grift for Trump and he knows his base will believe anything and shell out their hard earned cash supporting the scam.

The whole thing is ridiculous. --Billionaire loses election, begs regular people to donate money to him for his voter fraud campaign--

Trump might as well go around wearing a t-shirt "I'M SCAMMING YOU"

 

[lawgator1]

The whole thing is ridiculous. --Billionaire loses election, begs regular people to donate money to him for his voter fraud campaign--

Trump might as well go around wearing a t-shirt "I'M SCAMMING YOU"

That's been true since about 1980.

 

[TN Ribs]

The whole thing is ridiculous. --Billionaire loses election, begs regular people to donate money to him for his voter fraud campaign--

Trump might as well go around wearing a t-shirt "I'M SCAMMING YOU"

The most pathetic part is that people actually believe him.

 

[lawgator1]

The most pathetic part is that people actually believe him.

Honestly, I think at this point that is a tiny, tiny part of the base. Well, to refine it, I would say that I think that the GOP believes vaguely that there are unfair and inaccurate practices in elections. Not so much willful and intentional fraud -- some, but not a lot. And I think the vast majority of the GOP does not really believe that the election was "stolen" from Trump. Heck, more than are willing to admit it are probably grateful he's gone and hope for sanity and stability to return to the GOP.

I do think a sizeable percentage of the GOP does like that he and his allies are making an issue of this just because they like antagonizing Democrats. That seems to be kind of the gist of the GOP messaging these days: we like whatever annoys everyone else.

 

[VolinWayne]

From the Antrim report. What will the Arizona audit reveal

 

[TN Ribs]

Honestly, I think at this point that is a tiny, tiny part of the base. Well, to refine it, I would say that I think that the GOP believes vaguely that there are unfair and inaccurate practices in elections. Not so much willful and intentional fraud -- some, but not a lot. And I think the vast majority of the GOP does not really believe that the election was "stolen" from Trump. Heck, more than are willing to admit it are probably grateful he's gone and hope for sanity and stability to return to the GOP.

I do think a sizeable percentage of the GOP does like that he and his allies are making an issue of this just because they like antagonizing Democrats. That seems to be kind of the gist of the GOP messaging these days: we like whatever annoys everyone else.

I will respectfully disagree, there are several polls out there showing that upwards of 50% of Republicans believe the election was stolen:

More Than Half Of Republicans Believe Voter Fraud Claims And Most Still Support Trump, Poll Finds

 

[NCFisher]

And you are a fool if you think it is about anything BUT Trump.

If DeSantis came out tomorrow as a black trans-woman with a similar America first agenda, and not knuckle under to the Marxists in white and blackface or leftist media, he'd still be the front-runner for 2024.

So, no, it's not about Trump and never has been. You're marked as the fool for not figuring that out since his 2016 nomination, a result of being demon-possessed by his presidency.

 

[lawgator1]

I will respectfully disagree, there are several polls out there showing that upwards of 50% of Republicans believe the election was stolen:

More Than Half Of Republicans Believe Voter Fraud Claims And Most Still Support Trump, Poll Finds

Maybe you're right and I'm giving them too much credit.

 

[BowlBrother85]

You are clueless if you think this is all about Trump

There is not a set of conditions under which Donald Trump could ever lose an election, without completely attributing the defeat to voter fraud, his opponent cheating, or some combination of those two excuses. Trump signaled his intentions to blame the supposedly "rigged system" of elections in the United States for his possible defeat well before both the 2016 and 2020 general presidential elections were held. Trump even attributed his defeat in the 2016 Iowa Caucuses to cheating on the part of the 2016 Ted Cruz Campaign. Although, Trump never bothered to provide specific details as to how the 2016 Ted Cruz Campaign had cheated. However, when Trump has won elections? We never hear a peep from him about this supposedly "rigged system". These unsubstantiated allegations Trump likes to make, serve as nothing more than a defense of his brand. He doesn't think he can afford to let himself be called a "loser" in any context... and since Trump cares more about himself, than he does his country, he has no qualms with attacking the United States democratic system of elections.

You are clueless, if you think this latest "audit" has to do with something other than the bruised ego of a selfish and dishonest narcissist. There have already been multiple recounts, manual recounts and audits over the course of the last 6 months involving the outcome of the 2020 Presidential Election. They are stubbornly ongoing, only because Trump hasn't received the conclusion that he wants yet, and the entire Republican Party is subservient to him at the moment. Republicans don't think for themselves anymore... and nobody has the courage to speak truth to power. The Republican Party has become the party of cowardly sheep, always falling in line to dear leader. The Republicans don't stand for an ideology. They are not the party of ideas or policies anymore. They only stand for Trump, and what Trump wants done.

 

[CABVOL]

We've done the big push for people to own homes before - didn't go well. It's a nice measure, but it only means something if people who buy homes do so on their own (without government intervention) and can afford the home and the mortgage. Since there are apparently no massive stories of default (other than covid rules clamping down on evictions), you may be right; we'll see post covid totalitarianism.

A good friend who is a loan manager (one of the best in this company) in a nation-wide bank has stated it is absolutely insane for ppl to be overpaying for all these houses right now. She says as soon as the “no evictions” moratorium ends, there will be tons of houses on the market bc many, many ppl are beyond behind on their loan payments. She says the housing market will crash as soon as the moratorium ends.

 

[BowlBrother85]

If DeSantis came out tomorrow as a black trans-woman with a similar America first agenda, and not knuckle under to the Marxists in white and blackface or leftist media, he'd still be the front-runner for 2024.

So, no, it's not about Trump and never has been. You're marked as the fool for not figuring that out since his 2016 nomination, a result of being demon-possessed by his presidency.

I have posed this question in numerous threads over the course of the last 6 months without ever getting much of an answer, but what the hell, I will try it one more time:

If you are correct, and "it's not about Trump and never has been", then why have Republicans universally accepted the results from the U.S. House and Senate elections that were held during the 2020 election cycle, but not the results from the 2020 Presidential election?

Votes were cast in these various U.S. House and Senate elections using the same ballot that was used to vote for President. If one vote on a ballot was cast fraudulently, then that whole ballot must be considered fraudulent and discarded. However, there is only one election from the 2020 cycle whose outcome Republicans have alleged was the result of fraudulent activity and attempted to overturn. That doesn't make any sense. If there was indeed systemic fraud during the 2020 election cycle, it would have impacted the outcome of more than just one election.

Nobody who believes that Trump was cheated, ever addresses this. If it wasn't just about Trump, Republicans would be trying to overturn more than just his election. They don't want to do that, however, because Republicans did better than projected in the 2020 U.S. House and Senate elections. If the outcome of every 2020 U.S. House and Senate election was legitimate, then so was the outcome of the 2020 Presidential election, because they used the same damn ballots. You can't have it both ways.