Arizona Election Audit

[BowlBrother85]

What about the Moderna vaccine? Or the Johnson & Johnson vaccine? Or even the Astra-Zeneca vaccine? Any of those companies benefit from Operation Warp Speed? I notice you didn't mention them.

And are you this outraged by Biden's false claims, or is it just the false claims of Republicans that outrage you? Just curious.

On December 11, 2020, the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine became the first to receive emergency use authorization (EUA) from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and approved for the distribution in the United States to individuals 16 and older. I mentioned them first... because their vaccine was the first to receive FDA approval.

It's not easy to see how the Trump Administration contributed anything at all towards the production of their vaccine. The people who are posting nonsense such as "no other POTUS would have a vaccine on the table as of this point" are idiots. The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine would have been produced and also received emergency use authorization from the FDA by now, regardless of who the President of the United States was. That is an especially dumb thing to say, and I know it wasn't you. It was @hUTch2002.

 

[C-south]

Demand has probably been going up in my area despite the pandemic. So obviously supply is an issue, but shut downs are partially to blame, along with other factors, but I think lumber is definitely not a "Joe Biden caused this" issue.

In fact, prices may be starting back down based on your link. Don't know how OSB is factored in those prices, but some issues at resin plants caused a spike in OSB prices, which were already high even before the election.

The cost of everything is increasing at a very rapid pace

 

[Weezer]

On December 11, 2020, the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine became the first to receive emergency use authorization (EUA) from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and approved for the distribution in the United States to individuals 16 and older. I mentioned them first... because their vaccine was the first to receive FDA approval.

It's not easy to see how the Trump Administration contributed anything at all towards the production of their vaccine. The people who are posting nonsense such as "no other POTUS would have a vaccine on the table as of this point" are idiots. The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine would have been produced and also received emergency use authorization from the FDA by now, regardless of who the President of the United States was. That is an especially dumb thing to say, and I know it wasn't you. It was @hUTch2002.

Pfizer was first by one week. Moderna received emergency authorization on December 18th. They received $1.53 billion in assistance from Operation Warp Speed. The only other authorized vaccine is the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. They received $1 billion in assistance.

I'd be interested if there are statistics for which vaccine has been distributed the most? Fairly certain it would be between Pfizer and Moderna. Probably Pfizer. Still, while I understand your point about exaggeration, you're acting similar by totally dismissing Operation Warp Speed and Trump's contributions. Funding for two of the three vaccines was provided through the program.

 

[Septic]

Correct, if a Democrat president secured this treaty it would be treated as epic, that president would walk on water.

This whole victim schtick you guys created is played out. The R's aren't salmon constantly swimming upstream.

 

[Septic]

Which is ironic because the second he didn’t let an expert speak on something the media and Dems jumped him for not. When he even joked about mandating anything to the states the media and Dems jumped him for that. The reality is they were going to whine and bitch no matter what.

Probably because he'd talk about bleach.

 

[hUTch2002]

Why?

Because they all thought like politicians and wouldn’t have changed the rules Trump did to clear the way for the vaccine when literally everyone, including Fauci, was saying no way it could happen this fast.

 

[hog88]

What about the Moderna vaccine? Or the Johnson & Johnson vaccine? Or even the Astra-Zeneca vaccine? Any of those companies benefit from Operation Warp Speed? I notice you didn't mention them.

And are you this outraged by Biden's false claims, or is it just the false claims of Republicans that outrage you? Just curious.

BB has severe buyers remorse and is lashing out.

 

[hUTch2002]

On December 11, 2020, the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine became the first to receive emergency use authorization (EUA) from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and approved for the distribution in the United States to individuals 16 and older. I mentioned them first... because their vaccine was the first to receive FDA approval.

It's not easy to see how the Trump Administration contributed anything at all towards the production of their vaccine. The people who are posting nonsense such as "no other POTUS would have a vaccine on the table as of this point" are idiots. The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine would have been produced and also received emergency use authorization from the FDA by now, regardless of who the President of the United States was. That is an especially dumb thing to say, and I know it wasn't you. It was @hUTch2002.

Who paved that way DA? Yeah, that’s what I thought. No one was saying it could be done that fast. Trump cleared the deck so now who’s the idiot? Hint, go look in the mirror.

 

[hUTch2002]

Wrong. The truth is that Pfizer didn't receive any funding from Operation Warp Speed for the development, clinical trial and manufacturing of their vaccine. Rather, its partner, BioNTech SE, has received money - from the German government.

BioNTech is credited for contributing the messenger RNA technology, which prompts the body to make a key protein from the virus, creating an immune response. BioNTech and Pfizer already had a history of working together on vaccines, and last March they agreed to a deal to co-develop a shot against COVID-19. The two companies began human testing of the vaccine in April, which was before the existence of Operation Warp Speed.

This false and egotistical need to give Trump credit for the research and development of the COVID vaccines is ALMOST as pathetic as the false and egotistical need to do a recount in one state that Trump lost... over 3 months after his opponent's inauguration. Notice I said ALMOST... nothing will ever be more pathetic than the way this old, narcissistic, broken down toilet bowl of a man has dealt with losing an election.

I know you’re too thick to understand but there regulations and laws that are followed. Your Lord Dr Fauci said in March that at the absolute best it would take 12-18 months. Other times he said 1-2 years. Whenever Trump mentioned anything less everyone outside his administration said there was no way. Maybe Pfizer didn’t take money but that doesn’t mean they didn’t benefit from reduced red tape. If you’re too stupid to understand that it’s your problem not ours.

 

[KB5252]

This whole victim schtick you guys created is played out. The R's aren't salmon constantly swimming upstream.

True, but the point remains

 

[hUTch2002]

Pfizer was first by one week. Moderna received emergency authorization on December 18th. They received $1.53 billion in assistance from Operation Warp Speed. The only other authorized vaccine is the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. They received $1 billion in assistance.

I'd be interested if there are statistics for which vaccine has been distributed the most? Fairly certain it would be between Pfizer and Moderna. Probably Pfizer. Still, while I understand your point about exaggeration, you're acting similar by totally dismissing Operation Warp Speed and Trump's contributions. Funding for two of the three vaccines was provided through the program.

I’m not exaggerating. Maybe someone would have one produced by this point. Maybe. But it wouldn’t have been done as quickly and I’m confident in saying that. What BB is ignoring is the red tape Trump cleared to make the manufacturing process happen more quickly. He also started betting on it early by buying tons of it prior to approval. The earliest Fauci said it could happen was a year and that was in March last year. The reason those FDA approvals happened in December was Trump and I’m confident no other POTUS would have gotten it done that quickly.

 

[utvolpj]

and I’m confident no other POTUS would have gotten it done that quickly.

Oh I'm not. He gets credit for sure but to think he's the only one who could have accomplished it is kinda laughable

 

[hUTch2002]

Oh I'm not. He gets credit for sure but to think he's the only one who could have accomplished it is kinda laughable

By December? I don’t think it is laughable. In current day there was no one in Washington outside of the administration who thought that was remotely possible. So why is it laughable to think prior presidents would have thought the same as the people with whom they used to share space? I’ll concede that by this point someone possible would have had one but in March Fauci said 12-18 months AT BEST. We are a week or so shy of 14 months from that statement. December was 6 months from that statement. So which President would’ve have done it that quickly with the rules in place prior to this virus and literally everyone saying way more than 6 months? I say none but guess what? There’s no way we will ever know. We do know Obama did absolutely nothing when faced with a pandemic. Granted, this one was different but that’s at least some evidence of how a prior POTUS would act. Trump did a lot of dumb things but he did this particular thing well and apparently BB can’t handle it. We’re way off point for this thread of course so I’m sure that will be mentioned here shortly.

 

[hUTch2002]

Oh I'm not. He gets credit for sure but to think he's the only one who could have accomplished it is kinda laughable

Oh, one more important distinction I just caught. I’m not saying he’s the only one that COULD have. I’m saying he’s the only one that WOULD have had it done by December, possibly even by now.

 

[utvolpj]

Oh, one more important distinction I just caught. I’m not saying he’s the only one that COULD have. I’m saying he’s the only one that WOULD have had it done by December, possibly even by now.

To believe that I'd have to believe it was his idea and plan. Details don't seem to really be his thing

 

[AirVol]

Well they aren't the President.

Our President is the only one that wears a mask on zoom calls. He’s a woketard.

 

[hog88]

To believe that I'd have to believe it was his idea and plan. Details don't seem to really be his thing

Of course it wasn't his idea and plan, he gets credit for listening and implementing whoever's plan it was. IMO a career politician would have probably poo-pooed the idea of fast tracking and cutting the red tape because "that's not how it's been done".

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Pence is a weirdo but the serial kid sniffer in chief is ok?

Trump attempted to keep the country from imploding. He didn't communicate well at all, but policy wise he let Fauci dictate the policy. That was a mistake, Fauci is not to be trusted, especially when it comes to covid. He helped to create this monster.

That is some real Monday morning quarterbacking right there. Very easy to judge that decision in hindsight. Trump is no doctor or medical expert. Not many presidents that we have had (including Obama or Biden) are medical experts, so obviously they would have to lean heavily on the wisdom of the so-called experts. I think Trump's approach was about the best anyone could have done, given the information presented in front of them at the time. All of the people that are coming in after the fact are just being nitpicky or have the luxury of 20/20 hindsight, so of course they will look like experts leading an unprecedented situation.

 

[n_huffhines]

Because they all thought like politicians and wouldn’t have changed the rules Trump did to clear the way for the vaccine when literally everyone, including Fauci, was saying no way it could happen this fast.

This doesn't remotely explain that no one else could have got it done. It's just hollow, convenient hero worship.

 

[KB5252]

That is some real Monday morning quarterbacking right there. Very easy to judge that decision in hindsight. Trump is no doctor or medical expert. Not many presidents that we have had (including Obama or Biden) are medical experts, so obviously they would have to lean heavily on the wisdom of the so-called experts. I think Trump's approach was about the best anyone could have done, given the information presented in front of them at the time. All of the people that are coming in after the fact are just being nitpicky or have the luxury of 20/20 hindsight, so of course they will look like experts leading an unprecedented situation.

Yes, I'm not faulting Trump or defending him. Just stating facts from hindsight.

The real issue is that we are continuing to follow his instructions.

 

[utvolpj]

That is some real Monday morning quarterbacking right there. Very easy to judge that decision in hindsight. Trump is no doctor or medical expert. Not many presidents that we have had (including Obama or Biden) are medical experts, so obviously they would have to lean heavily on the wisdom of the so-called experts. I think Trump's approach was about the best anyone could have done, given the information presented in front of them at the time. All of the people that are coming in after the fact are just being nitpicky or have the luxury of 20/20 hindsight, so of course they will look like experts leading an unprecedented situation.

He's not a Dr but once the guy at the podium starts pushing an agenda you disagree with you replace him.

 

[hUTch2002]

To believe that I'd have to believe it was his idea and plan. Details don't seem to really be his thing

Not necessarily. It could have been someone else’s idea that he helped bring to fruition. Agree on the details.

 

[hUTch2002]

This doesn't remotely explain that no one else could have got it done. It's just hollow, convenient hero worship.

Lol. I’m not sure what you were expecting. It was an opinion. You prove to me that anyone else would’ve gotten a vaccine created more quickly under their watch. Oh, you can’t. Maybe you need to take Weezer’s class on opinions. Trump removed red tape to clear the way for faster manufacturing. He then also bet on it by buying a ton of it before it was even done. I doubt any prior POTUS would’ve done either of those things to the extent Trump did. There plenty to criticize him over. It’s ok if you give SOME credit. Hero worship. Yeah ok, if you want to worship politicians and/or TV personalities then have it. I certainly don’t.

 

[BowlBrother85]

By December? I don’t think it is laughable. In current day there was no one in Washington outside of the administration who thought that was remotely possible. So why is it laughable to think prior presidents would have thought the same as the people with whom they used to share space? I’ll concede that by this point someone possible would have had one but in March Fauci said 12-18 months AT BEST. We are a week or so shy of 14 months from that statement. December was 6 months from that statement. So which President would’ve have done it that quickly with the rules in place prior to this virus and literally everyone saying way more than 6 months? I say none but guess what? There’s no way we will ever know. We do know Obama did absolutely nothing when faced with a pandemic. Granted, this one was different but that’s at least some evidence of how a prior POTUS would act. Trump did a lot of dumb things but he did this particular thing well and apparently BB can’t handle it. We’re way off point for this thread of course so I’m sure that will be mentioned here shortly.

The reality is that Trump had nothing to do with the first vaccine which received FDA emergency authorized usage. That was the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, which received its authorization on December 11th. You can talk about clearing FDA "red tape" until your blue in the face, but you can't prove that any measures taken by the Trump Administration expedited the process in any meaningful way for the Pfizer vaccine. Sorry.

 

[Weezer]

The reality is that Trump had nothing to do with the first vaccine which received FDA emergency authorized usage. That was the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, which received its authorization on December 11th. You can talk about clearing FDA "red tape" until your blue in the face, but you can't prove that any measures taken by the Trump Administration expedited the process in any meaningful way for the Pfizer vaccine. Sorry.

Not entirely true. Trump paved the way for emergency authorization of the vaccines. That includes the Pfizer vaccine. That's expediting the process.