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#51
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Sabanocchio said:
If he recovered the fumble, how does it matter when it occurred? It could have been at any point in any game and it wouldn't have effected the outcome!

Logic doesn't seem to be your strong suit considering your posts here.

No one said he didn't fumble at those particular moments when it affected the outcome of the game, but any fumble at any time could change the outcome of the game. Your argument just doesn't hold any water.

The reason he has this reputation is because of fans like you that look at it with emotion rather than common sense.
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You CLEARLY have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and you even seem to not remember these at all, which now makes sense as to why your defending your crazy position. Yes, every fumble is bad. But when you're up by 28 then it's nearly not as bad as other times. You can't seriously be this irrational. Also, Foster didn't recover his own fumble on the SC one, which is what leads me to believe you don't remember these.

Notice the score and time left?
YouTube - Tennessee Volunteers flirt with disaster against South Carolina

Notice how PSU scored their TD in the 4th? Notice game was tied, UT on their 12.... That was a gift from foster. Tennessee Volunteers vs. Penn State Nittany Lions - Box Score - January 01, 2007 - ESPN

He also fumbled at the 6 of UCLA when a TD would have put UT up by 14, thus pushing game out of reach later on. Tennessee Volunteers vs. UCLA Bruins - Drivechart - September 01, 2008 - ESPN

Oh, and it should occur to you somewhere around now that just the fact that we're arguing about all his fumbles should tell you that he did in fact earn his reputation of being a fumbler...... Thanks for playin'.
 
#52
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salutethehill said:
Didn't he fumble against FL after the half last time they were in Neyland? We were down 29-20, got the ball back- lots of momentum, Foster fumble - wind out of the sails, lost 59-20.
Yeah, he couldn't have picked worse times to fumble.
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LawVol13 said:
The 59-20 game was in Gainesville.
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Pretty sure this is when the one-armed Ainge was handing it off with the wrong hand all game. Asking for trouble if you ask me.
 
#54
#54
Sabanocchio said:
Dude, when you are making an argument that fumbles impacted the game at crucial times, you don't throw in there a recovered one. The logic is all backwards. That's like saying a QB's rating should go down because of a dropped interception.

This conversation isn't about Arian Foster's fumbling problem. It's about the perception that he had a fumbling problem which is damn near ridiculous.
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Actually, I was rebutting your statement that it doesn't matter if one fumbles but manages to recover it. I believe that it does, but obviously it's not as bad as losing possession. One of my favorite QB's, Casey Clausen, had a game where he fumbled like 27 times in the rain against Florida. I think they only lost one or two of them.... but none of them helped our offense very much.

And by the way... QB rating will go down on a dropped interception. That would make it an incomplete pass.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Dude, when you are making an argument that fumbles impacted the game at crucial times, you don't throw in there a recovered one. The logic is all backwards. That's like saying a QB's rating should go down because of a dropped interception.

This conversation isn't about Arian Foster's fumbling problem. It's about the perception that he had a fumbling problem which is damn near ridiculous.
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Argument...................falling.............flaaaaaaaat.......

Hahaha
 
#57
#57
Sabanocchio said:
He didn't fumble "like hell." He had a normal amount of fumbles to the amount of carries he had. Fan perception is almost always skewed. He's not fumbling with the Texans. His ball security is as good as it gets.

Foster received the brunt of disgruntled fans' angst for inopportune fumbles. You don't pick when you fumble.

Everyone had a bad year on that offense.
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He only fumbled when the game was on the line.
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#58
#58
Seems we're playing all these what-if games, so with all these examples of bad timed fumbles and how "costly" they were, how about the flip side:

Tennessee vs. Kentucky 2007

Subtract Arian Foster's contributions in this game and we likely witness the end of the Kentucky stomping streak and get to stay home the next week instead of having a shot at the SEC Championship.
 
#59
#59
I'm actually an Arian Foster supporter. I'm stoked he's doing well, and never felt like most of the fumbles were his fault. But he certainly had a streak of bad luck, and I didn't want any part of it.

Hey, if you look me in the eye and tell me you didn't get nervous when we handed the ball off to him anywhere near either goal line... I'll believe you. But only because I'm extremely gullible.
 
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EricFreakingBerry said:
Seems we're playing all these what-if games, so with all these examples of bad timed fumbles and how "costly" they were, how about the flip side:

Tennessee vs. Kentucky 2007

Subtract Arian Foster's contributions in this game and we likely witness the end of the Kentucky stomping streak and get to stay home the next week instead of having a shot at the SEC Championship.
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Hey, you're right about that. And that first play, awesome. I haven't doubted the good things he did. 1200+ rusher in '07. His contributions were great, but unfortunately he also contributed to other teams as well, and right at the most inopportune times. Basically he wasn't your average fumbler. But I don't hate him, and I want him to do really well in the NFL. But let's not forget this.... Arian Foster benched after fumble - NFL- nbcsports.msnbc.com

And I am done with this topic, thanks.
 
#61
#61
Sabanocchio said:
This conversation isn't about Arian Foster's fumbling problem. It's about the perception that he had a fumbling problem which is damn near ridiculous.
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I think the perception that he had a fumbling problem makes a whole lot of sense. Why? He may not have had an abnormal amount of fumbles for UT, but he had an abnormal amount of fumbles in close losses. And those are the ones you remember. Stocker won't go down in infamy for the play against Kentucky because we recovered. But people hold a grudge against Foster because the team didn't rally like the '09 Vols did in Lexington.

'05 Carolina. Fumbled out the back of the end zone. We lose by one point.

'06 Penn State. Fumbled at the Penn State 12 in a tie game. Returned for a TD to put us down 17-10 in a game we lose 20-10.

'08 UCLA. Fumbled inside the UCLA 5. We had a 14-7 lead, and a score would've put us up by double digits and kept us rolling. Instead, UCLA got a FG to cut the deficit, and then came back in the 4th to send us to overtime (and beat us in overtime). Part of me still wonders whether that fumble wasn't the turning point of our entire season that year. I know that's probably just an emotional response, but if we punch it in there, we have a 21-7 lead late in the game and are rolling towards a road win over a Pac-10 opponent. As it is, we lose and our confidence is shattered.

'08 Auburn. Botched handoff between Crompton and Foster is recovered in the end zone for an Auburn TD to put them up 14-6. They win the game 14-12, which that TD proving decisive.


Obviously, it's not Foster's fault the team blew the Carolina game. It's not Foster's fault that the fumble against Penn State was returned all the way for a TD. It's not Foster's fault that the defense decided to take the rest of the day off after his UCLA fumble. It's not Foster's fault that Crompton only completed 33% of his passes against Auburn.

But the fact remains that the fumble against Carolina cost us more points than they beat us by. The fact remains that the PSU fumble was returned for the game-winning TD. The fact remains that we lost momentum after the UCLA fumble, and the fact remains that the Auburn fumble proved the decisive score.

I'm with you on liking Foster and not thinking he had a fumbling problem. But sometimes the team responds to turnovers and takes back the game ('09 Kentucky being our most recent example). And sometimes the team doesn't. Foster was unfortunate enough to have at least four highly memorable fumbles in the latter case. And that, sadly, has colored the perception of many a Vol fan.
 
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He reminds me of Brandon Jacobs. I never would have thought he would be the starting RB for a NFL team but he has had the ball bounce his way in Houston and looks like he's doing really well with it. Hopefully he'll have a long productive career as it looks good for UT as well.

Also, backup RB Steve Slaton received an injury to his foot in that game. Foster is going to be the main workhouse for Houston this year.
 
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wombat7477 said:
I'm actually an Arian Foster supporter. I'm stoked he's doing well, and never felt like most of the fumbles were his fault. But he certainly had a streak of bad luck, and I didn't want any part of it.

Hey, if you look me in the eye and tell me you didn't get nervous when we handed the ball off to him anywhere near either goal line... I'll believe you. But only because I'm extremely gullible.
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You sure do sound like a supporter, lol.

It amazes me that so many of you so called vol fans will go out of your way to bash and criticize your own by searching for every single youtube video of Foster fumbling to post on volnation.

And you people wonder why Crompton and his family or Foster's mom might have a little resentment towards the orange and white. You can't find a thread on Crompton, Foster, or Daniel Lincoln that is not full of fairweather fans that can't wait to vilify those who gave their all for Tennessee. Its disgusting.
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#66
#66
You did notice the part where I said it wasn't his fault right? It was just some kinda hex...

I doubt I've ever said a bad word about him. He just scared the bejeezus outta me.
 
#67
#67
wombat7477 said:
You did notice the part where I said it wasn't his fault right? It was just some kinda hex...

I doubt I've ever said a bad word about him. He just scared the bejeezus outta me.
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Didn't really mean to single you out. Mainly talking about people like tums.
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Incipient said:
I think the perception that he had a fumbling problem makes a whole lot of sense. Why? He may not have had an abnormal amount of fumbles for UT, but he had an abnormal amount of fumbles in close losses. And those are the ones you remember. Stocker won't go down in infamy for the play against Kentucky because we recovered. But people hold a grudge against Foster because the team didn't rally like the '09 Vols did in Lexington.

'05 Carolina. Fumbled out the back of the end zone. We lose by one point.

'06 Penn State. Fumbled at the Penn State 12 in a tie game. Returned for a TD to put us down 17-10 in a game we lose 20-10.

'08 UCLA. Fumbled inside the UCLA 5. We had a 14-7 lead, and a score would've put us up by double digits and kept us rolling. Instead, UCLA got a FG to cut the deficit, and then came back in the 4th to send us to overtime (and beat us in overtime). Part of me still wonders whether that fumble wasn't the turning point of our entire season that year. I know that's probably just an emotional response, but if we punch it in there, we have a 21-7 lead late in the game and are rolling towards a road win over a Pac-10 opponent. As it is, we lose and our confidence is shattered.

'08 Auburn. Botched handoff between Crompton and Foster is recovered in the end zone for an Auburn TD to put them up 14-6. They win the game 14-12, which that TD proving decisive.


Obviously, it's not Foster's fault the team blew the Carolina game. It's not Foster's fault that the fumble against Penn State was returned all the way for a TD. It's not Foster's fault that the defense decided to take the rest of the day off after his UCLA fumble. It's not Foster's fault that Crompton only completed 33% of his passes against Auburn.

But the fact remains that the fumble against Carolina cost us more points than they beat us by. The fact remains that the PSU fumble was returned for the game-winning TD. The fact remains that we lost momentum after the UCLA fumble, and the fact remains that the Auburn fumble proved the decisive score.

I'm with you on liking Foster and not thinking he had a fumbling problem. But sometimes the team responds to turnovers and takes back the game ('09 Kentucky being our most recent example). And sometimes the team doesn't. Foster was unfortunate enough to have at least four highly memorable fumbles in the latter case. And that, sadly, has colored the perception of many a Vol fan.
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That is a quality post right there.
 
#69
#69
I truly hope he bought his mother a home, or at least a nice car. She defended him here when no one thought he was anything but a fair back with confidence problems.
 
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#70
dan4vols said:
I truly hope he bought his mother a home, or at least a nice car. She defended him here when no one thought he was anything but a fair back with confidence problems.
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Agreed -- I always liked FosterMoms posts.
 
#71
#71
In fairness I can't say much about that '05 SC game. The only reason we're in that game in the first place was Foster. His 148yds rushing (5.9ypc) accounted for 55% of our entire offense and he scored our only TD of the game.
 
#72
#72
Sabanocchio said:
He didn't fumble "like hell." He had a normal amount of fumbles to the amount of carries he had. Fan perception is almost always skewed. He's not fumbling with the Texans. His ball security is as good as it gets.

Foster received the brunt of disgruntled fans' angst for inopportune fumbles. You don't pick when you fumble.

Everyone had a bad year on that offense.
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i liked Arian Foster then and i like him now.


the fumble against Penn State still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, though.
 
#73
#73
Incipient said:
I think the perception that he had a fumbling problem makes a whole lot of sense. Why? He may not have had an abnormal amount of fumbles for UT, but he had an abnormal amount of fumbles in close losses. And those are the ones you remember. Stocker won't go down in infamy for the play against Kentucky because we recovered. But people hold a grudge against Foster because the team didn't rally like the '09 Vols did in Lexington.

'05 Carolina. Fumbled out the back of the end zone. We lose by one point.

'06 Penn State. Fumbled at the Penn State 12 in a tie game. Returned for a TD to put us down 17-10 in a game we lose 20-10.

'08 UCLA. Fumbled inside the UCLA 5. We had a 14-7 lead, and a score would've put us up by double digits and kept us rolling. Instead, UCLA got a FG to cut the deficit, and then came back in the 4th to send us to overtime (and beat us in overtime). Part of me still wonders whether that fumble wasn't the turning point of our entire season that year. I know that's probably just an emotional response, but if we punch it in there, we have a 21-7 lead late in the game and are rolling towards a road win over a Pac-10 opponent. As it is, we lose and our confidence is shattered.

'08 Auburn. Botched handoff between Crompton and Foster is recovered in the end zone for an Auburn TD to put them up 14-6. They win the game 14-12, which that TD proving decisive.


Obviously, it's not Foster's fault the team blew the Carolina game. It's not Foster's fault that the fumble against Penn State was returned all the way for a TD. It's not Foster's fault that the defense decided to take the rest of the day off after his UCLA fumble. It's not Foster's fault that Crompton only completed 33% of his passes against Auburn.

But the fact remains that the fumble against Carolina cost us more points than they beat us by. The fact remains that the PSU fumble was returned for the game-winning TD. The fact remains that we lost momentum after the UCLA fumble, and the fact remains that the Auburn fumble proved the decisive score.

I'm with you on liking Foster and not thinking he had a fumbling problem. But sometimes the team responds to turnovers and takes back the game ('09 Kentucky being our most recent example). And sometimes the team doesn't. Foster was unfortunate enough to have at least four highly memorable fumbles in the latter case. And that, sadly, has colored the perception of many a Vol fan.
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awesome post.
 
#75
#75
vol-un-tear said:
And he runs out of bounds.....again.....
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Running out of bounds isn't a bad thing for career and health longevity. Just ask Earl Campbell. With the health problems he has I bet he wishes he had've run out of bounds a few more times as opposed to running over NFL caliber players.
 
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