Arian Foster just retired

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KBVol said:
And I find it odd that you inserted Fulmer's name into a discussion that has absolutely nothing to do with him. You're the one one that took the gratuitous shot at him for no particular reason.

And newsflash, despite being an outstanding player, Arian Foster is arguably the most reviled former player in program history. And he's earned every bit of it IMO. Brent Hubbs on 104.5 this morning pretty much said the same thing.

So go ahead and defend him while stretching to find a way to disparage our former HOF head coach. It's about what I would expect.
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Actually all that I did was to ask if you had any ill feelings toward Fulmer as well since he went to California and brought Foster to Knoxville. That's a gratuitous shot? No, that's just showing how confused and hypocritical your opinion is. Your response above is exhibit A.

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You agree that he attempted to drag the program through the mud during that one interview? Cool. Not sure how many attempts he needed. Did a pretty nice job with that one IMO.

I stated pretty clearly that I believe his target was the NCAA and not TN. Your boy Fulmer brought Foster into the UT family... was that a fail?
 
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Backwards K said:
Yeah, it's obvious that Fulmer must have refused to sign an autograph for Thunder Good Oil at some point in the past 30 years. TOG's obsession is disturbing.
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The only obsession here is your's and KBVol's with anybody mentioning Fulmer's name. He brought Foster to TN. If Foster is such a vile person, isn't Fulmer mostly to blame for poisoning the water?

The extent of my comments mentioning Fulmer are related to my opinions that:

1). There should not be a statue of Fulmer put up on UT's campus.

2). Johnny Majors was a better football coach than Phil Fulmer.

3). Fulmer should not be the UT Athletic Director.

4). Firing Fulmer was not wrong.

You boys worship him as if he's Jesus or Buddha.
 
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Hey Thunder, did you know Coach Fulmer was a first ballot Hall of Famer and Johnny's winning percentage is too low to even qualify for the Hall?
 
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JVol76 said:
I get sick and tired of seeing/hearing the same old **** about how he or any other player 'sacrificed' their body for the good of the program. Everybody knows the risks of sports and I think his so-called sacrifice paid off pretty well for him. Nobody forces football or any other sport on you so stop with the sacrifice b.s. Everybody knows fans boo when things happen, it's just part of it. Maybe some thicker skin or bigger balls would help some people out. If some of you want to hero worship Foster or anybody else like him that's fine but some of us refuse to acknowledge that a kneeling, America disrespecting atheist is anything other than trash. You can toss up all the little stats you want and call him VFL and all that but the guy doesn't care about UT, the fans or anything else so why should he get anything more than that in return? I'm glad he's retired and hopefully this will be the last anybody ever has to hear anything from or about him again.
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You just brought religion in to this. What's the point?
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Seems like Manning said and did some stuff that sparked a Title IX lawsuit and an earlier settlement. Seems like one Colquitt had a drunk driving incident. Seems like his dad killed his girlfriend while driving under the influence. Foster said mean things about the NCAA.
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Are we seriously comparing Arian Foster to Peyton Manning? Seriously?
 
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VolAllen said:
What I pointed out was that none of those other guys had thrown their alma mater under the bus.
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And I explained how what some of those players did was just as harmful, if not more so, to the TN football brand. Title IX was in the news for most of the off-season with TN portrayed as a chronic offender. Foster's comments from years ago had zero coverage.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Actually all that I did was to ask if you had any ill feelings toward Fulmer as well since he went to California and brought Foster to Knoxville. That's a gratuitous shot? No, that's just showing how confused and hypocritical your opinion is. Your response above is exhibit A.

Originally Posted by KBVol:
You agree that he attempted to drag the program through the mud during that one interview? Cool. Not sure how many attempts he needed. Did a pretty nice job with that one IMO.

I stated pretty clearly that I believe his target was the NCAA and not TN. Your boy Fulmer brought Foster into the UT family... was that a fail?
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Here's what I know about you Thunder.

You'll go to mat to defend a former player who had a tumultuous relationship with his coaches, teammates, fans and media at Tennessee, had 3-4 costly, untimely fumbles in big spots that contributed greatly to some big losses and, worst of all, who actively/willfully decided to make a comment(s) in an interview that had the potential to greatly damage the University of Tennessee and The Volunteer football program. You'll even try and pull down actual great VFLs by overstating and miscasting their "situations" in order to justify your argument in favor of Foster.

Additionally, of course, you'll take and create every opportunity to run another former player and HOF coach at Tennessee, who spent 30+ years helping build the Volunteer program into one of the great College football powers, who has never done anything but express positivity and love for the program.....completely and thoroughly through the mud.

It's honestly bizarre dude. You just keep doing you.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The only obsession here is your's and KBVol's with anybody mentioning Fulmer's name. He brought Foster to TN. If Foster is such a vile person, isn't Fulmer mostly to blame for poisoning the water?

The extent of my comments mentioning Fulmer are related to my opinions that:

1). There should not be a statue of Fulmer put up on UT's campus.

2). Johnny Majors was a better football coach than Phil Fulmer.

3). Fulmer should not be the UT Athletic Director.

4). Firing Fulmer was not wrong.

You boys worship him as if he's Jesus or Buddha.
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1) couldn't care less one way or the other

2) that's a ridiculous, purely personal and subjective take with absolutely zero, zilch, nada evidence/data to support it

3) agree. It should be David Blackburn. It's a moot point anyway since he's stated he's not interested in the job

4) agree again. It was time to move on, be an adult and thank Phil for the great job he had done at Tennessee and for everything he had given the program over 30+ years.

Nobody "worships" Phil Fulmer. Fans simply appreciate his HOF coaching career, what he did here and don't throw temper tantrums and say he generally sucked because 2 of his last 4 seasons were sub .500 and he could only manage to go 29-23 with SECCG appearance during that time period.

And just like most of would defend Johnny Majors or Bill Battle or Doug Dickey from other posters who clearly had some type of personal, irrational axe to grind, we're doing the same on behalf of Phil.
 
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JVol76 said:
Because among other things just another reason that I have no use for him.
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How very Christianly of you, I bet Jesus is super proud right now. Can you point out to me where he said to dismiss non believers since you have no use for them? I'm only remembering Matthew 28:19-20.
 
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JVol76 said:
I get sick and tired of seeing/hearing the same old **** about how he or any other player 'sacrificed' their body for the good of the program. Everybody knows the risks of sports and I think his so-called sacrifice paid off pretty well for him. Nobody forces football or any other sport on you so stop with the sacrifice b.s. Everybody knows fans boo when things happen, it's just part of it. Maybe some thicker skin or bigger balls would help some people out. If some of you want to hero worship Foster or anybody else like him that's fine but some of us refuse to acknowledge that a kneeling, America disrespecting atheist is anything other than trash. You can toss up all the little stats you want and call him VFL and all that but the guy doesn't care about UT, the fans or anything else so why should he get anything more than that in return? I'm glad he's retired and hopefully this will be the last anybody ever has to hear anything from or about him again.
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Lol.

There is no way i'd be a VFL if I were Arian. We treated him like garbage long before he started acting out.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Hey Backwards K, did you know that Johnny's winning percentage is higher than Hayden Fry's winning percentage and Fry is in the HOF?
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"A coach becomes eligible three full seasons after retirement or immediately following retirement provided he is at least 70 years of age. Active coaches become eligible at 75 years of age. He must have been a head coach for a minimum of 10 years and coached at least 100 games with a .600 winning percentage."

Johnny's record was 185-137-10 which is a winning percentage of .572. NOT ELIGIBLE

Sorry for using facts. I know how they always get in the way of your rants.

I appreciate all Johnny did for UT and he was a very good coach. But, he's the 3rd or 4th best coach in UT history behind Neyland, Fulmer and an argument could be made for Dickey but I'd put Majors ahead of Doug due to time on the job.
 
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Backwards K said:
"A coach becomes eligible three full seasons after retirement or immediately following retirement provided he is at least 70 years of age. Active coaches become eligible at 75 years of age. He must have been a head coach for a minimum of 10 years and coached at least 100 games with a .600 winning percentage."

Johnny's record was 185-137-10 which is a winning percentage of .572. NOT ELIGIBLE

Sorry for using facts. I know how they always get in the way of your rants.

I appreciate all Johnny did for UT and he was a very good coach. But, he's the 3rd or 4th best coach in UT history behind Neyland, Fulmer and an argument could be made for Dickey but I'd put Majors ahead of Doug due to time on the job.
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Fulmer never had to rebuild anything. He left that to the ones before and after him
 
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Backwards K said:
"A coach becomes eligible three full seasons after retirement or immediately following retirement provided he is at least 70 years of age. Active coaches become eligible at 75 years of age. He must have been a head coach for a minimum of 10 years and coached at least 100 games with a .600 winning percentage."

Johnny's record was 185-137-10 which is a winning percentage of .572. NOT ELIGIBLE

Sorry for using facts. I know how they always get in the way of your rants.

I appreciate all Johnny did for UT and he was a very good coach. But, he's the 3rd or 4th best coach in UT history behind Neyland, Fulmer and an argument could be made for Dickey but I'd put Majors ahead of Doug due to time on the job.
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So Hayden Fry cheated, because he is in the HOF with a lesser winning percentage than CJM's.
 
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KBVol said:
1) couldn't care less one way or the other

2) that's a ridiculous, purely personal and subjective take with absolutely zero, zilch, nada evidence/data to support it

3) agree. It should be David Blackburn. It's a moot point anyway since he's stated he's not interested in the job

4) agree again. It was time to move on, be an adult and thank Phil for the great job he had done at Tennessee and for everything he had given the program over 30+ years.

Nobody "worships" Phil Fulmer. Fans simply appreciate his HOF coaching career, what he did here and don't throw temper tantrums and say he generally sucked because 2 of his last 4 seasons were sub .500 and he could only manage to go 29-23 with SECCG appearance during that time period.

And just like most of would defend Johnny Majors or Bill Battle or Doug Dickey from other posters who clearly had some type of personal, irrational axe to grind, we're doing the same on behalf of Phil.
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2). There is volumes of evidence/data to support that Majors was a better football coach than Fulmer.
 
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KBVol said:
Here's what I know about you Thunder.

You'll go to mat to defend a former player who had a tumultuous relationship with his coaches, teammates, fans and media at Tennessee, had 3-4 costly, untimely fumbles in big spots that contributed greatly to some big losses and, worst of all, who actively/willfully decided to make a comment(s) in an interview that had the potential to greatly damage the University of Tennessee and The Volunteer football program. You'll even try and pull down actual great VFLs by overstating and miscasting their "situations" in order to justify your argument in favor of Foster.

Additionally, of course, you'll take and create every opportunity to run another former player and HOF coach at Tennessee, who spent 30+ years helping build the Volunteer program into one of the great College football powers, who has never done anything but express positivity and love for the program.....completely and thoroughly through the mud.

It's honestly bizarre dude. You just keep doing you.
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I find it amusing that saying anything less than flattering about CPF causes you to launch a Respect the Phil campaign. HE's not Jesus or Buddha or Allah. He's a football coach that wrangled a top ten program away from his boss.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You still pointing out people's opinions as idiotic is whats really idiotic.
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I have no issue with people having a poor opinion of Foster. I do have a problem with the cheap shots and vulgar name calling though. I said he was ignorant, uninformed, and immature. I didn't call him a douche.
 
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