Arian Foster Breaks Ground By Admitting He Doesn’t Believe In God

I'm not quite sure what his point is either. It's a bit incoherent. But I think it is something like this:

1. Given how many posters are open about their non-belief/atheism on this anonymous board that hardly anyone reads, relatively speaking (no offense, Freak), it stands to reason that...
2...A very public figure openly claiming the same in a traditionally strong Christian milieu (i.e., American football) is not a big deal.
3. Therefore, who cares.

With logic like that, you can go back and rewrite all the Greek classics. Tell Socrates and Plato and Aristotle and the gang how stupid they were.

The post is written about posters like the two of you. The fact that you don't understand the point should tell you something. Since the whitehouse went rainbow when gay's "won" in the SCOTUS, what color will it be when you atheists (or professed atheists) win a ruling?

The mere fact that you would call ANYONE (even UTKeith) incoherent in this forum is an absolute freaking laugh.
 
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The post is written about posters like the two of you. The fact that you don't understand the point should tell you something. Since the whitehouse went rainbow when gay's "won" in the SCOTUS, what color will it be when you atheists (or professed atheists) win a ruling?

The mere fact that you would call ANYONE (even UTKeith) incoherent in this forum is an absolute freaking laugh.

It must be really scary that your group is losing total control. You'll have to settle for just "a lot of" power. Sad.
 
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What group is that oh clairvoyant one?

Middle class white christian male. Maybe not that religious but you are going to heaven.

And no matter what you say, no one is going to believe otherwise. You've spent years on VN indicating this is who you are.
 
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Middle class white christian male. Maybe not that religious but you are going to heaven.

And no matter what you say, no one is going to believe otherwise. You've spent years on VN indicating this is who you are.

Yeah, I bet that was a stretch for you. Care to narrow that down by about 99%?
 
The post is written about posters like the two of you. The fact that you don't understand the point should tell you something. Since the whitehouse went rainbow when gay's "won" in the SCOTUS, what color will it be when you atheists (or professed atheists) win a ruling?

What possible "ruling" would atheists seek? Our rights are not violated nor are they suppressed.

We simply choose to view the world and our reality differently; our "truth" doesn't require "religion".
 
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What possible "ruling" would atheists seek? Our rights are not violated nor are they suppressed.

We simply choose to view the world and our reality differently; our "truth" doesn't require "religion".

I don't generally explain myself here. If you don't get the reference, I can't help you.

I'm still waiting for Nancy to make this about him. Trying to figure out what angle xe will use.

P.S. fixed your inability to quote for you.
 
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I don't generally explain myself here. If you don't get the reference, I can't help you.

Why not? You can explain that you don't explain yourself, but you can't take the time to explain what someone wants to know? Does this tactic work with your kids?
 
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I don't generally explain myself here. If you don't get the reference, I can't help you.

I'm still waiting for Nancy to make this about him. Trying to figure out what angle xe will use.

P.S. fixed your inability to quote for you.

There's no "reference" to get. You made a direct comment about "a bunch of closet atheist in an outing. Pathetic."

Pathetic how? That we are discussing a subject that happens to be the topic of this post?

That somehow the "news" about Foster encourages others on here to speak on the matter? Buncha gawd damn bandwagoners!!

Or is it more of a bigotry thing with you? Non believers are lower than the righteous children of "God". Mr. Holier Than Thou?

Your ambiguity isn't clever; it's condescending and it's prickish.
 
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The post is written about posters like the two of you. The fact that you don't understand the point should tell you something. Since the whitehouse went rainbow when gay's "won" in the SCOTUS, what color will it be when you atheists (or professed atheists) win a ruling?

You made a vague statement, calling something pathetic, and seemingly can't explain 1) what was pathetic, and 2) why it was pathetic. There's nothing to understand until you actually say what you mean.
 
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You made a vague statement, calling something pathetic, and seemingly can't explain 1) what was pathetic, and 2) why it was pathetic. There's nothing to understand until you actually say what you mean.

Adrian Foster =/= Michael Sams

The early feeling in this thread was that their revelations were equal.
 
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What? Agnosticism is a perfectly defensible position.

Agnosticism isn't about faith. It's about proof. No one knows because it can't be proven. Most of my issues with religions are not proof. I don't think even with proof I wouldn't be religious. They teach blind faith. I don't agree.
 
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Agnosticism isn't about faith. It's about proof. No one knows because it can't be proven. Most of my issues with religions are not proof.

I agree. It's a epistemological approach.

In fairness, from a pragmatic standpoint, agnosticism isn't really feasible. You either live like there is a Christian/Jewish/Islamic/(insert God here) or you don't, despite the various philosophical shades in between.

I don't think even with proof I wouldn't be religious. They teach blind faith. I don't agree.

Proof wouldn't be blind faith. If someone proves Genesis, the world fundamentally changes for non-believers and believers who interpret scripture liberally.
 
Agnosticism isn't about faith. It's about proof. No one knows because it can't be proven. Most of my issues with religions are not proof. I don't think even with proof I wouldn't be religious. They teach blind faith. I don't agree.

Can you be more specific?
Christianity has two millennia of evidential arguments. So, whatbis your example of teaching blind faith?
 
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Can you be more specific?
Christianity has two millennia of evidential arguments. So, whatbis your example of teaching blind faith?
What is an Atheist?

An atheist is anyone who doesn't happen to believe in any gods, no matter what their reasons or how they approach the question of whether any gods exist. This is a very simple concept, but it's also widely misunderstood. For that reason, there are a variety of ways to state this. Atheism is: the lack of belief in gods, the absence of belief in gods, disbelief in gods, not believing in gods.
The most precise definition may be: an atheist is anyone who does not affirm the proposition "at least one god exists." Although it may seem convoluted, it has a number of important elements: there is a proposition, it's not a proposition made by atheists, and being an atheist requires nothing active or even conscious on the part of the atheist — all that's required is not "affirming" a proposition made by others.
More: Atheism Basics for Beginners

What is an Agnostic?

An agnostic is anyone who doesn't claim to know for that any gods exist or not, no matter what their reasons or how they approach the question of whether any gods exist. This is also a simple concept, but it may be as widely misunderstood as atheism is. One major problem is that atheism and agnosticism both deal questions about the existence of gods, but whereas atheism involves what a person does or does not believe, agnosticism involves what a person does or does not know. Belief and knowledge are related but nevertheless separate issues.
There's a simple test to tell if one is an agnostic or not. Do you think you know for sure if any gods exist? If so, then you're not an agnostic. Do you think you know for sure that gods do not or even cannot exist? If so, then you're not an agnostic. Everyone who can't answer "yes" to one of those questions is a person who may or may not believe in one or more gods, but since they don't also claim to know for sure they are agnostic — an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist.
More: Agnosticism Basics for Beginners

What is an Agnostic Atheist?

An agnostic atheist has two qualities: they don't happen to believe in any gods and they don't claim to know or sure that no gods can or do exist. Not believing that some claim is true while also not claiming to know for sure that it's false is not only easy, it happens in lots and lots of different topics. It would be a surprise if it didn't happen when the topic is the existence of gods.
For some strange reason, though, many people have he mistaken impression that agnosticism and atheism are mutually exclusive. But why? There's nothing about "I don't know" which excludes "I don't believe." On the contrary, not only are they compatible but they frequently appear together because not knowing is frequently a reason for not believing. It's often a very good idea to not accept some proposition is true unless you have enough evidence that would qualify as knowledge.

What is an Agnostic Theist?

An agnostic theist has two qualities: they believe in the existence of at least one god and they don't claim to know for sure that this god or gods definitely exist. Believing that some claim is true while also not claiming to know for sure that it's true is not only easy, it happens in lots and lots of different topics. Why shouldn’t it also happen when the topic is the existence of gods?
Once again, many people have the mistaken impression that agnosticism and theism are mutually exclusive. They are convinced that agnosticism is some sort of "middle way" or "third way" between atheism and theism — but why? There's nothing about "I don't know" which logically excludes "I believe." Sometimes it perhaps should because there are some claims that you shouldn't believe without sufficient evidence to qualify as knowledge. Being a juror in a murder trial would be a good example.

Atheist vs. Agnostic: What's the Difference?

By now, the difference between being an atheist and being an agnostic should be pretty clear and pretty easy to remember. Atheism is about belief, or specifically what you don't believe. Agnosticism is about knowledge, or specifically about what you don't know. An atheist doesn't believe in any gods. An agnostic doesn't know if any gods exist or not. These can be the exact same person, but need not be.
Every agnostic is also either an atheist or a theist because any given belief is either present or not — there is no alternative to those two options. An agnostic may be unsure whether atheism or theism is more reasonable. An agnostic may not consider their theism or atheism very important. But regardless, belief that the proposition "at least one god is true" is present or not in everyone.
 
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One refers to Knowledge and the other refers to Belief.

I consider myself an Agnostic Atheist. I personally do not believe in any God or Gods because I have never been shown any concrete or empirical evidence for one. However do I know without a doubt that a God or Gods doesn't exist? No, It is impossible to prove a negative.
 
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Can you be more specific?
Christianity has two millennia of evidential arguments. So, whatbis your example of teaching blind faith?

"evidential arguments"

Arguments based on evidence wouldn't require faith.
 
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What is an Atheist?

An atheist is anyone who doesn't happen to believe in any gods, no matter what their reasons or how they approach the question of whether any gods exist. This is a very simple concept, but it's also widely misunderstood. For that reason, there are a variety of ways to state this. Atheism is: the lack of belief in gods, the absence of belief in gods, disbelief in gods, not believing in gods.
The most precise definition may be: an atheist is anyone who does not affirm the proposition "at least one god exists." Although it may seem convoluted, it has a number of important elements: there is a proposition, it's not a proposition made by atheists, and being an atheist requires nothing active or even conscious on the part of the atheist — all that's required is not "affirming" a proposition made by others.
More: Atheism Basics for Beginners

What is an Agnostic?

An agnostic is anyone who doesn't claim to know for that any gods exist or not, no matter what their reasons or how they approach the question of whether any gods exist. This is also a simple concept, but it may be as widely misunderstood as atheism is. One major problem is that atheism and agnosticism both deal questions about the existence of gods, but whereas atheism involves what a person does or does not believe, agnosticism involves what a person does or does not know. Belief and knowledge are related but nevertheless separate issues.
There's a simple test to tell if one is an agnostic or not. Do you think you know for sure if any gods exist? If so, then you're not an agnostic. Do you think you know for sure that gods do not or even cannot exist? If so, then you're not an agnostic. Everyone who can't answer "yes" to one of those questions is a person who may or may not believe in one or more gods, but since they don't also claim to know for sure they are agnostic — an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist.
More: Agnosticism Basics for Beginners

What is an Agnostic Atheist?

An agnostic atheist has two qualities: they don't happen to believe in any gods and they don't claim to know or sure that no gods can or do exist. Not believing that some claim is true while also not claiming to know for sure that it's false is not only easy, it happens in lots and lots of different topics. It would be a surprise if it didn't happen when the topic is the existence of gods.
For some strange reason, though, many people have he mistaken impression that agnosticism and atheism are mutually exclusive. But why? There's nothing about "I don't know" which excludes "I don't believe." On the contrary, not only are they compatible but they frequently appear together because not knowing is frequently a reason for not believing. It's often a very good idea to not accept some proposition is true unless you have enough evidence that would qualify as knowledge.

What is an Agnostic Theist?

An agnostic theist has two qualities: they believe in the existence of at least one god and they don't claim to know for sure that this god or gods definitely exist. Believing that some claim is true while also not claiming to know for sure that it's true is not only easy, it happens in lots and lots of different topics. Why shouldn’t it also happen when the topic is the existence of gods?
Once again, many people have the mistaken impression that agnosticism and theism are mutually exclusive. They are convinced that agnosticism is some sort of "middle way" or "third way" between atheism and theism — but why? There's nothing about "I don't know" which logically excludes "I believe." Sometimes it perhaps should because there are some claims that you shouldn't believe without sufficient evidence to qualify as knowledge. Being a juror in a murder trial would be a good example.

Atheist vs. Agnostic: What's the Difference?

By now, the difference between being an atheist and being an agnostic should be pretty clear and pretty easy to remember. Atheism is about belief, or specifically what you don't believe. Agnosticism is about knowledge, or specifically about what you don't know. An atheist doesn't believe in any gods. An agnostic doesn't know if any gods exist or not. These can be the exact same person, but need not be.
Every agnostic is also either an atheist or a theist because any given belief is either present or not — there is no alternative to those two options. An agnostic may be unsure whether atheism or theism is more reasonable. An agnostic may not consider their theism or atheism very important. But regardless, belief that the proposition "at least one god is true" is present or not in everyone.

Oversimplification. Lots of different philosophical shades excluded.
 
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