Arena Club Donor

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Bob50 said:
I’m an Original Arena Club donor(1980s). With my donation to help build the arena, I was given the ability to select my seats and have documents stating that I had them for life. In UTs grab for more money, they completely eliminated the Original Arena Donors. To do this they plan to remove our seats and replace them with new ones and call it Riverside Club. We were given the option to stay in Riverside club at 8 times our current seat cost or select other available seats. This was called Opting Out. When Opting Out, we were given 2 options. We could pay ticket price plus taxes and fees and not get donor points or we could pay ticket price plus taxes and fees and a substantial donation and receive donor points. When the time came to select new seats, the first option was not available. The seat cost would be almost 4 times what I had been paying. This is the second time they lied to us about seats. We no longer have basketball tickets.
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I’m sure folks will be along to defend Danny. He’s a despicable money grabber. Despite the wretched leadership that proceeded, him he still inherited Barnes, Vitello and Weakley. That’s pretty dang amazing.
I like his hire for lady’s basketball: His track coach hire has been a disaster. He lies about waiting list for season tickets.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
For those who were original donors, I get it, it sucks…in reality there’s not many of those left though and they’d been passed down to another generation, which I get sucks for those folks, but I feel slightly less sorry for.

You’ve got 1% of Vol fans who hate this and are effected by it, but you’ve got 99% of Vol fans who are now thankful those seats are available for a reasonable price, and that they aren’t sitting next to a teenager paying 1/10 the price just because his great grandfather made a big donation many years ago.

I get both sides, but I hardly fault Danny White on the decision to upset that 1%
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Thoughts on Food City Center that was supposed to say TBA name... Now they just say Food City Center... I haven't heard TBA in forever from official sources.
 
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WaywardVol said:
I’m sure folks will be along to defend Danny. He’s a despicable money grabber. Despite the wretched leadership that proceeded, him he still inherited Barnes, Vitello and Weakley. That’s pretty dang amazing.
I like his hire for lady’s basketball: His track coach hire has been a disaster. He lies about waiting list for season tickets.
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UGA, Bama and Texas all require an annual fee or donation to be on the waiting list for football season tickets, Tennessee doea not. Maybe that's why there's that big of a list
 
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dobre_shunka said:
UGA, Bama and Texas all require an annual fee or donation to be on the waiting list for football season tickets, Tennessee doea not. Maybe that's why there's that big of a list
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No idea, I just know Danny isn’t half the AD people
Make him out to be. I think getting the President and Chancellor Situation resolved was key, as weak as having all the UT system understanding that athletics is the straw that stirs the drink.
How the hell the elitist, anti-athletics, academic crowd ever ran the show is beyond me.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
For those who were original donors, I get it, it sucks…in reality there’s not many of those left though and they’d been passed down to another generation, which I get sucks for those folks, but I feel slightly less sorry for.

You’ve got 1% of Vol fans who hate this and are effected by it, but you’ve got 99% of Vol fans who are now thankful those seats are available for a reasonable price, and that they aren’t sitting next to a teenager paying 1/10 the price just because his great grandfather made a big donation many years ago.

I get both sides, but I hardly fault Danny White on the decision to upset that 1%
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It smells bad, looks bad and could have accommodated the few folks placed on the situation. I wager it's far less than 1% of season ticket holders who have held for 45 years. That level of loyalty deserves respect and appreciation not demonstrated by UT.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
But quit raising the prices Danny…

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Weird flex. I mean, do you think the fans who bought those tickets were thrilled about paying more? I'm going to fill my car up with gas this afternoon, but I won't be happy about paying $3.00/gallon when I paid $2.50 two weeks ago. You can still sell out the arena and ALSO wish the prices would stay stable.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Weird flex. I mean, do you think the fans who bought those tickets were thrilled about paying more? I'm going to fill my car up with gas this afternoon, but I won't be happy about paying $3.00/gallon when I paid $2.50 two weeks ago. You can still sell out the arena and ALSO wish the prices would stay stable.
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You can wish for a lot of things, doesn’t mean it makes sense or is a smart idea either.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Weird flex. I mean, do you think the fans who bought those tickets were thrilled about paying more? I'm going to fill my car up with gas this afternoon, but I won't be happy about paying $3.00/gallon when I paid $2.50 two weeks ago. You can still sell out the arena and ALSO wish the prices would stay stable.
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Also, not necessarily the same people. Not sure pushing out 20+ year fans so law firms and car dealership owners can buy a couple more tickets is something to cheer
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You can wish for a lot of things, doesn’t mean it makes sense or is a smart idea either.
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I'm not really sure what this has to do with the point being discussed. Sure it's a smart move/financial win for Tennessee...no one is debating that. Some fans want the product bad enough to pay whatever price necessary. Drug addicts do the same thing.

You routinely being on the side of greedy, corporate America is odd. Where do you draw the line or morality? Hypothetically, would you be OK with Tennessee raising the price of every lower bowl seat to $10000 a game as long as they all still sold?
 
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cncchris33 said:
Weird flex. I mean, do you think the fans who bought those tickets were thrilled about paying more? I'm going to fill my car up with gas this afternoon, but I won't be happy about paying $3.00/gallon when I paid $2.50 two weeks ago. You can still sell out the arena and ALSO wish the prices would stay stable.
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I see your perspective, but gas is a necessity whereas season tickets to basketball games are 100% discretionary. Another perspective might be if the prices are too high, they shouldn’t be able to sell out such a large stadium? I was on the fence considering fighting the crowd to see a live concert. When I figured out how much decent tickets would cost I decided it wasn’t worth that $ to me, yet the concert sold out. Were the tickets too expensive? They were to get my butt in a seat but there was an abundant amount of butts willing to pay the price.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm not really sure what this has to do with the point being discussed. Sure it's a smart move/financial win for Tennessee...no one is debating that. Some fans want the product bad enough to pay whatever price necessary. Drug addicts do the same thing.

You routinely being on the side of greedy, corporate America is odd. Where do you draw the line or morality? Hypothetically, would you be OK with Tennessee raising the price of every lower bowl seat to $10000 a game as long as they all still sold?
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I have no issue charging what the market will bear.

I have an issue breaking promises. Even if you get weasel around the broken promise legally.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should...
 
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Vol49er said:
Also, not necessarily the same people. Not sure pushing out 20+ year fans so law firms and car dealership owners can buy a couple more tickets is something to cheer
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Not sure categorizing the only folks able to afford tickets as lawyers or car dealership owners is accurate at all…you can get some solid seats for $500/each, that’s roughly $20 a game.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm not really sure what this has to do with the point being discussed. Sure it's a smart move/financial win for Tennessee...no one is debating that. Some fans want the product bad enough to pay whatever price necessary. Drug addicts do the same thing.

You routinely being on the side of greedy, corporate America is odd. Where do you draw the line or morality? Hypothetically, would you be OK with Tennessee raising the price of every lower bowl seat to $10000 a game as long as they all still sold?
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Absolutely…I’d love for downtown housing to be $150-$200k and not $500k for brand new condos, is what it is, you can either afford it or you can’t.
 
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walkenvol said:
I see your perspective, but gas is a necessity whereas season tickets to basketball games are 100% discretionary. Another perspective might be if the prices are too high, they shouldn’t be able to sell out such a large stadium? I was on the fence considering fighting the crowd to see a live concert. When I figured out how much decent tickets would cost I decided it wasn’t worth that $ to me, yet the concert sold out. Were the tickets too expensive? They were to get my butt in a seat but there was an abundant amount of butts willing to pay the price.
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Admittedly, my example was extreme. Gas as a necessity is somewhat debatable in some situations, but detailing those isn't really important. The point being, those fans paying the prices still aren’t happy they paid more even if they're happy they got tickets.

I've just never understood the almost gleeful admiration for Danny White's pricing practices and victory lapping every reference to Tennessee's ticket sales.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I have no issue charging what the market will bear.

I have an issue breaking promises. Even if you get weasel around the broken promise legally.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should...
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Same here, really. The price is what the price is, and that won't change until people stop paying. However, the "just because you can do something doesn't mean you should" belief could also be applied to increasing ticket prices if it did bother some.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm not sure you understood my point. At least your response doesn't seem to indicate as much.
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As long as the demand is there IDGAF what he charges, especially in today’s climate where the most $$$ gives your school the best chance to field the best teams, simple as that. I like Nike more than Adidas, but I’m all in favor of us taking that deal, similar reasoning.
 
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This isn't new. They did this for football many times over the years. My family, on a direct promise from General Neyland, once had 60 seats in Section U and Section T. They did the same thing and whittled them away over the years as they saw that it was a bad deal for UT.

It has a true shame and just another black mark on the Athletic department's legacy. Always remember when you enter a deal with them, a contract or a promise means absolutely nothing to them. They figure you'll either have enough money to keep paying more, or won't want to pay the legal fees to try and keep fighting for what you were contractually guaranteed. It will, and has affected money UT would have received upon the passing of several folks I know.
 
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