Are we too fast

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David Pollock on game day was talking about WVU and how Holgerson has slowed down the offense. All of the big heads thought it was a good idea and keeps the defense more fresh and they are proud of the coach for evolving. Are we too fast? Should we give the D more rest? Should Butch change things up?
 
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coffeevol said:
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David Pollock on game day was talking about WVU and how Holgerson has slowed down the offense. All of the big heads thought it was a good idea and keeps the defense more fresh and they are proud of the coach for evolving. Are we too fast? Should we give the D more rest? Should Butch change things up?
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In game changes are overrated.

Thanks Roller!
 
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We don't run 90 plays a game like Butch wanted to when he first got here. We've slowed down, don't know if it's enough but yea
 
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Yes we should give the defense more rest. But run, run, pass, punt, quick 3 and outs do not give us a lot of chances for that.
 
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The only reason we need to slow down is for debord to think about what he is calling a little longer. I know we have O line issues but geez, mix it up a little bit.

Still cant believe we havent used the speed sweep with Byrd more this year. Debord seems to have fogotten that misdirection is a big part of this offense.
 
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Too fast is not an issue. Not enough points, that's the problem. Our defense feeds off our offense, once our offense starts putting points on the board, rather than 3 and outs and turnovers, our defense responds(much like the crowd at Neyland), it gives them something to play for. How many times has our defense drawn 1st blood with a turnover, just to have our offense go 3 and out without even trying to hit a big play?

Complimentary football is hard to achieve when it appears our offensive game plan is to use the 1st half to set up plays for the 2nd half(except when we get down 14-21 points).

This back half of the season we should mix it up and knock these chumps out early and get ready to treat bama the same way in Atlanta.
 
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coffeevol said:
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David Pollock on game day was talking about WVU and how Holgerson has slowed down the offense. All of the big heads thought it was a good idea and keeps the defense more fresh and they are proud of the coach for evolving. Are we too fast? Should we give the D more rest? Should Butch change things up?
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Our offense doesn't go particularly fast now. It's just no-huddle.
 
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The bigger problem is 3rd down conversions on offense IMO.

This team is pretty terrible at it, 74th in the country in percentage. DeBord or whoever is actually running the show has consistently had this team playing behind the sticks with predictable early down play calling.

They aren't much better at getting teams off the field on 3rd down either on defense, 43rd there as well.

Consistently losing on 3rd down will wear a defense out a lot more than the offense side running up tempo.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
The bigger problem is 3rd down conversions on offense IMO.

This team is pretty terrible at it, 74th in the country in percentage. DeBord or whoever is actually running the show has consistently had this team playing behind the sticks with predictable early down play calling.

They aren't much better at getting teams off the field on 3rd down either on defense, 43rd there as well.

Consistently losing on 3rd down will wear a defense out a lot more than the offense side running up tempo.
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3rd downs are a problem yes. But that is because of everything that happens on the 2 plays before that. I guarantee you our 3rd down percentage would be much greater if we had more 3rd and 1 as opposed to 3rd and 11. Hurd up the middle, bubble screen to the flat, Dobbs check down to running back on an out. Happens 7 of 10 series it seems like.
 
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coffeevol said:
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David Pollock on game day was talking about WVU and how Holgerson has slowed down the offense. All of the big heads thought it was a good idea and keeps the defense more fresh and they are proud of the coach for evolving. Are we too fast? Should we give the D more rest? Should Butch change things up?
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We're not. We don't run the same type of offensive style as WVU had. WVU (and similar programs like Texas Tech and now Missouri under the new coach) had been running constant always no huddle offenses, regardless of whether or not any positive gain was made on the play...so when the offense was having difficulty or not in-sync, it would result in essentially of drives of 1-minute or less total time in which the offense went 3 and out (so if they were struggling at any point and had three 3 and outs, their own defense would have a grand total of a little over 3 minutes across 3 drives).

UT runs uptempo a bit more sparingly by comparison to those teams (UT uses it after large games or first downs) and usually doesn't line up and run it again right after incompletions, losses, or plays of no gain.
 
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TrueOrange said:
We're not always "straight back on the line, immediately run the next play" no huddle though either, right?
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I'd say we rarely are. We very rarely run up tempo. We typically use about half the playclock IMO.
 
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We really don't run up tempo that much it's just a no huddle. We're averaging 75.4 plays per game which is 52nd in the nation. Some of the 3 and outs do seem really fast though
 
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Wouldn't it be nice on 3rd and 1 just line up in the eye and run the ball up the middle, or when it's 4th and 1 let Dobbs line up behind center and just do a QB sneak.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
The bigger problem is 3rd down conversions on offense IMO.

This team is pretty terrible at it, 74th in the country in percentage. DeBord or whoever is actually running the show has consistently had this team playing behind the sticks with predictable early down play calling.

They aren't much better at getting teams off the field on 3rd down either on defense, 43rd there as well.

Consistently losing on 3rd down will wear a defense out a lot more than the offense side running up tempo.
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The thing about 3rd down is if you don't have a good first & second down (i.e. You run the exact same play on first down & the defense you're going against stops it for a 3 to 7 yard loss every time...) it makes converting 3rd down much more difficult...
 
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rtb1983 said:
3rd downs are a problem yes. But that is because of everything that happens on the 2 plays before that. I guarantee you our 3rd down percentage would be much greater if we had more 3rd and 1 as opposed to 3rd and 11. Hurd up the middle, bubble screen to the flat, Dobbs check down to running back on an out. Happens 7 of 10 series it seems like.
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I know.

That's why I mentioned the play calling putting the team behind the sticks in my previous post.
 
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DrTNT said:
The thing about 3rd down is if you don't have a good first & second down (i.e. You run the exact same play on first down & the defense you're going against stops it for a 3 to 7 yard loss every time...) it makes converting 3rd down much more difficult...
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I know.

That's why I mentioned the play calling putting the team behind the sticks in my previous post.
 
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Depends on the team we play against. But yes, when we have multiple three and outs in a row, we should slow it down.
 
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