Are We Improving Under Butch?

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JMSqb11 said:
That's False. Casey Clausen will go down better than Dobbs. Clausen won and was a road warrior. Dobbs piled up a lot of his big stats against U.K., Vandy, and Missouri. Casey never put up tons of stats but he won plain and simple. Can't say that about Dobbs.
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Look at it from a difference maker perspective to the team. Those teams that Clausen played on were absolutely loaded. He just had to not lose games and he did a very good job at that. Put Clausen in Dobbs' shoes and I truly believe we only win 7 games this year. Teams will be thankful when they don't have to play Dobbs next year. Can't really say the same about Clausen.
 
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The Orange Pants said:
Last year: second in the east
This year: second in the east
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We've only lost to one East opponent. It just so happens that our road to the SECG is more difficult year in and year out than Florida's. We had to play TAMU and Bama. Florida had who in the west exactly? Sometimes stuff just happens and teams lose like 12 starters.
 
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Next year won't prove anything. We will have around the same record probably a loss or two more. The only thing that will be different is the excuses Butch and his followers will use to explain away another season where we don't win the East, don't beat anybody we are not supposed to, and lose to team we were supposed to beat.
 
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Top cruits from.TN isn't beating the door down to come to UT. They see UT squandering playing in the SECC game twice. And struggling putting ballers into.NFL. Which should change this go around
 
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SayNoToJorts said:
So you only want to look from a high level and talk about East Championships, ok. Why stop there? We haven't won the SEC in 18 years. Has that entire 18 year span been a plateau?

Or you could use your brain, dig down one level, and see that we have more wins this year than last year at this point, and were much closer to winning the East than we have been since Fulmer. It is an upward trend not a plateau. But yes you can spin it anyway you want. We will likely be the 2nd highest ranked SEC team this year going into bowl season, only behind arguably the best Alabama team ever. Spin that.
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You can talk about the last 18 years if it's with the same coach. Once again, Butch has given away the worst division in football the last two years. If he can't win it at its worst, he won't win it at its best. You can use your brain to realize that.
 
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BeardedVol said:
The problem with losing Dobbs, is that he was able to compensate for the terrible Oline play with his legs. Dormandy is not if he is our QB, JG is an unknown because he hasn't field a snap yet, and as long as Mahoney/Debord are coaching this Oline, I have zero faith that it will improve.
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That is a valid argument. We need our O line to improve or next year could be a bust. That goes for any year and any team. We return everyone besides Wiesman. I am banking on improvement, but you very well could be right
 
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99gator said:
Tennessee has obviously improved.

My guess is this is the ceiling though. I don't think next year's roster is better than this one.

And other teams in the East will begin to crawl out of the abyss
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Exactly right. We are a 8-9 win team with the occasional 10 win season under butch. It is what it is
 
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Mo_TownVol said:
Next year won't prove anything. We will have around the same record probably a loss or two more. The only thing that will be different is the excuses Butch and his followers will use to explain away another season where we don't win the East, don't beat anybody we are not supposed to, and lose to team we were supposed to beat.
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So true
 
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paige_09 said:
We've only lost to one East opponent. It just so happens that our road to the SECG is more difficult year in and year out than Florida's. We had to play TAMU and Bama. Florida had who in the west exactly? Sometimes stuff just happens and teams lose like 12 starters.
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Florida had two West road games. That's tougher than our 1 road game and 1 home game. Given Florida'a condition, their West opponents were just as tough as ours. Especially given how overrated A&M is.
 
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Chitlin&theDude said:
Huh? Rankings are mix of quantity and quality
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Yes; quantity = 20, quality = highest ranked recruits in the class.

The 20 top recruits of the class are used to determine the rank of the class in it's entirety, regardless of how many recruits comprise the class overall.
 
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JFreak said:
Look at it from a difference maker perspective to the team. Those teams that Clausen played on were absolutely loaded. He just had to not lose games and he did a very good job at that. Put Clausen in Dobbs' shoes and I truly believe we only win 7 games this year. Teams will be thankful when they don't have to play Dobbs next year. Can't really say the same about Clausen.
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Clausen won a lot of road games with his arms. You are truly to young if you don't remember his time here.

Also, this year's offense is loaded too.
 
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508mikey said:
the D Line is a problem now -- Tuttle may not be back next season and KMAC is questionable also
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I hadn't heard that their injuries were that bad...if true we might have to go the JC route again..something we haven't had much luck at
 
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Mo_TownVol said:
Next year won't prove anything. We will have around the same record probably a loss or two more. The only thing that will be different is the excuses Butch and his followers will use to explain away another season where we don't win the East, don't beat anybody we are not supposed to, and lose to team we were supposed to beat.
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Butch worshipers are just tickled the team is just better than Dooleys. CBJ has done miracles in their sight.
For the rest of us..he will work miracles when he gets to ATL and contend in SECCs and hopefully match or do better than 95-98 Vols. Fans have different standards
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Florida had two West road games. That's tougher than our 1 road game and 1 home game. Given Florida'a condition, their West opponents were just as tough as ours. Especially given how overrated A&M is.
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Just keep telling yourself that. If you think a 10-3 season is unsuccessful or a regression from last season just because we didn't win the East, then there's really no hope. Next year if we win the east but lose the championship, you'll probably think Butch should be fired for not winning the SECG. And then the next year if we win the SEC but lose in the playoffs, you'll probably call for Butch's head for not winning the natty. Never pleased.
 
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VolnJC said:
2013 5-7 with 8th toughest schedule
2014 7-6 with 5th toughest schedule
2015 9-4 with 3rd toughest schedule
2016 8-3 with 3rd toughest schedule

Recruiting rankings

2011 14th
2012 20th
2013 24th

2014 7th
2015 4th
2016 14th
2017 10th
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Unless you count beating the SEC west or winning titles, sure Tennessee is improving.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
You can talk about the last 18 years if it's with the same coach. Once again, Butch has given away the worst division in football the last two years. If he can't win it at its worst, he won't win it at its best. You can use your brain to realize that.
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"If he can't win at its worst, he won't win at its best"

But he did win. He beat everyone in the East besides USCjr which was a major slip up. But he did beat the best teams in the East which is the most important thing when looking to the future.

Also, you are assuming that the East is improving. I would argue that it is not. At your current standard, the East has been on a "plateau" since 2008 with no SEC Champs. Why will they magically get better?

Also funny how you think the rest of the East will improve but we will not, considering we are the only team in the entire East with a win total trending upward year over year, for the last 4 years. But don't look at the facts and data, just keep regurgitating vague remarks and catch phrases that you have heard others say
 
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SayNoToJorts said:
"If he can't win at its worst, he won't win at its best"

But he did win. He beat everyone in the East besides USCjr which was a major slip up. But he did beat the best teams in the East which is the most important thing when looking to the future.

Also, you are assuming that the East is improving. I would argue that it is not. At your current standard, the East has been on a "plateau" since 2008 with no SEC Champs. Why will they magically get better?

Also funny how you think the rest of the East will improve but we will not, considering we are the only team in the entire East with a win total trending upward year over year, for the last 4 years. But don't look at the facts and data, just keep regurgitating vague remarks and catch phrases that you have heard others say
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Winning the east means you go to Atlanta. I may be confused but I coulda swore Florida is going to atlanta for the second straight year instead of us.

Also, back to back years of 5-3 SEC records isn't improvement.
 
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SayNoToJorts said:
That is a valid argument. We need our O line to improve or next year could be a bust. That goes for any year and any team. We return everyone besides Wiesman. I am banking on improvement, but you very well could be right
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Experience hasn't seemed to matter with the Oline under Mahoney, in fact, one could argue that we regressed from last season to this one.
 
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jbr82 said:
Butch worshipers are just tickled the team is just better than Dooleys. CBJ has done miracles in their sight.
For the rest of us..he will work miracles when he gets to ATL and contend in SECCs and hopefully match or do better than 95-98 Vols. Fans have different standards
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Just shows their youth.
 
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paige_09 said:
Just keep telling yourself that. If you think a 10-3 season is unsuccessful or a regression from last season just because we didn't win the East, then there's really no hope. Next year if we win the east but lose the championship, you'll probably think Butch should be fired for not winning the SECG. And then the next year if we win the SEC but lose in the playoffs, you'll probably call for Butch's head for not winning the natty. Never pleased.
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It's not just "not winning the east", it's not winning the east when GA,USCe, and Missouri are breaking in new coaches and new systems on both sides of the ball, in the 4th year of CBJs tenure, with the most experienced team in our division.

Context my friend, it matters. Couple that with the fact that this team struggled mightily with lesser competition and needed some serious breaks to avoid having 2-3 more losses.
 
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jbr82 said:
Butch worshipers are just tickled the team is just better than Dooleys. CBJ has done miracles in their sight.
For the rest of us..he will work miracles when he gets to ATL and contend in SECCs and hopefully match or do better than 95-98 Vols. Fans have different standards
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That's the problem with many on this board...they look back at 95-98 and think that is the Tennessee standard when that is the outlier...truth is we have been a middle of the road SEC team that averages 8-9 wins per year since the 60s
 
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