Are the 5 star QBs really worth the money?

#76
#76
Don't mean to be negative, but we don't really have him until he signs and steps out on the field, and who knows, for 1 year and transfer. Or change on signing day. The transfer portal needs to go back to the way it used to be or when they sign an nil deal it should be for a number of years in the contract and if they transfer before then the other school has to pay the remainder on the contract. But with this said, just going back to sitting out a year would fix most of the problems.
Why would any kid sit out a whole year if the damned coaches don't? Are we trying to control the players more than the coaches? And if so, why? Players have been used for cheap for decades. And they've been improperly restricted in their movements. Are we trying to reimpede them? Any insight as to why or how this would help the players would be appreciated. ....
 
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#77
This is not another Nico thread although he fits the spirit of what I am trying to say. Saturday we saw Arch, the 6.8 million dollar man, really do nothing very impressive. We saw Klubnik, the 3.4 million dollar man, struggle mightily against LSU. We watched another 5 star, Ty Simpson, get destroyed by FSU. He just looked lost. Of course, we know the Nico story. Then you watch guys like JA and John Mateer at Oklahoma, both journey men who have learned the game at smaller schools and transfer in with experience just light the place up. While occasionally you get a Trevor Lawrence who comes in and changes everything their Freshman year that is very much the exception, not the rule. If Texas, for example, used some of that 6.8 million to get more offensive weapons I think they would be a better team.

I said all this on this forum instead of the around the NCAA one because I really think Heup has figured this out. He tried sticking with Milton because of the cannon for the arm but it did not fit. He got a little starried eyed with Nico because he was the prettiest girl at prom that year recruiting but Nico really never fit Heup's system. I think now Heupel knows divas can really screw up a locker room and his system needs a decent duel threat QB, not a NFL pocket passer. The extra money can be spent on important things like offensive line. Honestly, I think Heupel was the first coach to really embrace all the changes in college football and is now the first coach to start figuring out how to really make it work.
 
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This is not another Nico thread although he fits the spirit of what I am trying to say. Saturday we saw Arch, the 6.8 million dollar man, really do nothing very impressive. We saw Klubnik, the 3.4 million dollar man, struggle mightily against LSU. We watched another 5 star, Ty Simpson, get destroyed by FSU. He just looked lost. Of course, we know the Nico story. Then you watch guys like JA and John Mateer at Oklahoma, both journey men who have learned the game at smaller schools and transfer in with experience just light the place up. While occasionally you get a Trevor Lawrence who comes in and changes everything their Freshman year that is very much the exception, not the rule. If Texas, for example, used some of that 6.8 million to get more offensive weapons I think they would be a better team.

I said all this on this forum instead of the around the NCAA one because I really think Heup has figured this out. He tried sticking with Milton because of the cannon for the arm but it did not fit. He got a little starried eyed with Nico because he was the prettiest girl at prom that year recruiting but Nico really never fit Heup's system. I think now Heupel knows divas can really screw up a locker room and his system needs a decent duel threat QB, not a NFL pocket passer. The extra money can be spent on important things like offensive line. Honestly, I think Heupel was the first coach to really embrace all the changes in college football and is now the first coach to start figuring out how to really make it work.
Then you have Carson Beck for $10 million highest paid of all QBs produce a win for Miami. Lots of folks down there think it was money well spent to put Notre Dame back in their place.
 
#79
#79
Tangent but did you hear anything about Michigan's billionaire booster (the one who gave Underwood 10mil) & Hiter? Just curious if it was a money thing with Hiter like it was with Underwood

Hiter was going to Michigan. My sources said we really never had much of chance although the kid liked us. They just liked Michigan better. I'm sure he got a good deal from Michigan
 
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#80
It can be difficult to translate a million dollar arm and a two dollar mind. They can be elite in HS play and skills competitions, but when the lights turn on and the speed revs up...they find out that they are not cerebral enough for this level. The play book is significantly more advanced and the speed of the game is quicker.
 
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#81
Yes, I remember him only playing hard/with emotion his freshman and sophomore year against South Carolina. His junior year,... he balled out.... for a contract. The part in bold above is making my point. If you take a player whose household income is =< $80k, and you throw $300k at them to "play". Some motivation could wain, ie. "they've arrived". Now, imagine same kid being given $2-3M? With this scenario, it is pretty easy to get "lax" when you just signed a contract that will play you more than your parents have/will earn in 20-25 years. It is the equivalent of "F.... you money". (sorry for the street crudeness - but you get my point). We'll see how this all plays out in the next 3-5 years. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and you're right btw.
I just don't see it happening. At least, not in any sort of significant numbers.

For sure, there are instances of this happening in the NFL. Some guys get drafted highly, get paid serious money, and then lose motivation almost immediately. Jamarcus Russell is probably the poster boy for this. More recently, I would point to Isaiah Wilson who the Titans drafted 29th overall by the Titans. He played 4 entire snaps with the Titans before they cut him less than 1 year after they drafted him. I'm pretty sure he had more arrests than snaps played in the NFL. Anthony Richardson is another good example.

But the vast majority of players do not stop playing hard just because they get paid. Most players have personal pride. And obviously, there is financial incentive to want keep playing well so that you can make even more money.
 
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#82
What was the bargain?

Contracts are two-way. If you want protections, you have to give protections. Do you want to offer them a longer deal in exchange for their commitment?
Players shouldn't get a big check and then quit /transfer without having to pay the money back or a portion of it anyway. Nico wasn't fired, he quit on the team
 
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MacIntyre was also a high 4 star, borderline 5 star and he’s waiting his turn.
After today I’m even more convinced that he should be QB2. Not sure what Heupel is thinking but GMAC does everything better. Maybe he just doesn’t have a firm grasp of the offense yet? Doubtful though. He’s been here 9 months
 
#85
#85
After today I’m even more convinced that he should be QB2. Not sure what Heupel is thinking but GMAC does everything better. Maybe he just doesn’t have a firm grasp of the offense yet? Doubtful though. He’s been here 9 months
Yep. I think it’s just a weight thing at this point? He’s got the talent though that’s clear.
 
#87
#87
After today I’m even more convinced that he should be QB2. Not sure what Heupel is thinking but GMAC does everything better. Maybe he just doesn’t have a firm grasp of the offense yet? Doubtful though. He’s been here 9 months
That is def it. He has To look to the sideline after every play. And couldn’t run the hurry up as good as merk but he’s very accurate and good decision maker. He’s def the more gifted player for sure.
 
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