Are the 5 star QBs really worth the money?

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QB has to be a baller, plain and simple. Regardless of stars they need to be able to make things happen and have an unyielding desire to win. I think we have one now. Vandy's Pavia is one.
Never saw competitiveness last year. Too early to knock on Arch Manning just yet. He played against the best team money can buy Saturday, in their house, although TX is probably the second best team money can buy. Who knows about Ty Simpson. He may be a victim of a coaching staff that hasn't figured out they need to up their game and get more serious with the task at hand. DeBoer hasn't shown me anything yet.
 
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Vol8188 said:
When you get the right one it’s worth it. If you end up with J Daniels level play, most high level programs are going to turn that into a NC. How many elite QBs can perform at that level? Maybe 1/20?

But isn’t a 1 in 20 shot at a NC worth it? I’d say so.
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I agree. If you have a coach/staff with a proven record of getting the most out of average/decent quarterbacks who weren’t highly coveted, I don’t think you should throw money at the 5 stars as much, but depends on the quarterback. JMO.
 
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I said it when this NIL fiasco was starting. Giving a 18 year old millions ( or even 100k) will take the drive and desire right out of them. There will be no hunger to play 100% or make it to the nfl. They might want to play in the nfl, but the HUNGER to get there is going to fade.

Jealousy is a monster and the uneven money payments will cause dissention on a team sooner or later. ( why is he getting $$$$ and I'm getting $$)

Hunger does not refer to appetite, I'm talking about the desire and effort to succeed and the mindset to achieve your goal.
 
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HooahVol said:
This is not another Nico thread although he fits the spirit of what I am trying to say. Saturday we saw Arch, the 6.8 million dollar man, really do nothing very impressive. We saw Klubnik, the 3.4 million dollar man, struggle mightily against LSU. We watched another 5 star, Ty Simpson, get destroyed by FSU. He just looked lost. Of course, we know the Nico story. Then you watch guys like JA and John Mateer at Oklahoma, both journey men who have learned the game at smaller schools and transfer in with experience just light the place up. While occasionally you get a Trevor Lawrence who comes in and changes everything their Freshman year that is very much the exception, not the rule. If Texas, for example, used some of that 6.8 million to get more offensive weapons I think they would be a better team.

I said all this on this forum instead of the around the NCAA one because I really think Heup has figured this out. He tried sticking with Milton because of the cannon for the arm but it did not fit. He got a little starried eyed with Nico because he was the prettiest girl at prom that year recruiting but Nico really never fit Heup's system. I think now Heupel knows divas can really screw up a locker room and his system needs a decent duel threat QB, not a NFL pocket passer. The extra money can be spent on important things like offensive line. Honestly, I think Heupel was the first coach to really embrace all the changes in college football and is now the first coach to start figuring out how to really make it work.
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I.say no. Better to put the money on a proven D1 QB that fits your system and culture.
 
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The problem with giving a lot of money to an unproven QB ( example Nico ) is you groom them for a couple years and when it's pay off time they bail on you or demand more money. There needs to be protections put in the contracts that money is paid back if a player doesn't stay to finish his part of the bargain
 
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How many of the last 10 championship teams didn't have highly rated QB? Maybe 2 out of 10? Stetson Bennett is the only one I can think of.
 
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modernVol said:
You guys aren't ready for Faizon. I'm all-in on this kid
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Going to be interesting to see how Heuple handles Faizon and Gmac. I think Merk will be gone if he does not win starting job next season. Maybe Gmac starts next season and Faizon backs up. Good problem to have but keeping everyone happy is not easy.
 
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To be blunt, no. The money spent on them could be better spent on support players. It takes a total team to win a national championship, not a really good quarterback. Take a four-star quarterback. Take a couple of three star quarterbacks. Take all that money that you saved and get the best offensive line in the country. There's a lot of three star quarterbacks out there that would shoot your eyes out if they had a somebody blocking for them long enough. I mean right now you got a zero Star quarterback starting for us.
 
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In this new big money climate, I think you spend your money where the games are won, in the trenches. The staff should be looking at the top junior QB's every season to pick up in the portal end of season. This way you go into every season with a proven experienced QB that can simply manage the offense and get the ball to the playmakers. Use the big money to bulk up both lines with real depth.
 
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HooahVol said:
This is not another Nico thread although he fits the spirit of what I am trying to say. Saturday we saw Arch, the 6.8 million dollar man, really do nothing very impressive. We saw Klubnik, the 3.4 million dollar man, struggle mightily against LSU. We watched another 5 star, Ty Simpson, get destroyed by FSU. He just looked lost. Of course, we know the Nico story. Then you watch guys like JA and John Mateer at Oklahoma, both journey men who have learned the game at smaller schools and transfer in with experience just light the place up. While occasionally you get a Trevor Lawrence who comes in and changes everything their Freshman year that is very much the exception, not the rule. If Texas, for example, used some of that 6.8 million to get more offensive weapons I think they would be a better team.

I said all this on this forum instead of the around the NCAA one because I really think Heup has figured this out. He tried sticking with Milton because of the cannon for the arm but it did not fit. He got a little starried eyed with Nico because he was the prettiest girl at prom that year recruiting but Nico really never fit Heup's system. I think now Heupel knows divas can really screw up a locker room and his system needs a decent duel threat QB, not a NFL pocket passer. The extra money can be spent on important things like offensive line. Honestly, I think Heupel was the first coach to really embrace all the changes in college football and is now the first coach to start figuring out how to really make it work.
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Thus far, Hendon has been Heupel's best QB and Aguilar may end up being the 2nd best. Both transfers.

Maybe there's more to be said for a guy who has experience and has been knocked around a little than a 5* out of high school.
 
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volfeeva said:
The problem with giving a lot of money to an unproven QB ( example Nico ) is you groom them for a couple years and when it's pay off time they bail on you or demand more money. There needs to be protections put in the contracts that money is paid back if a player doesn't stay to finish his part of the bargain
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I think a market correction with this issue is steaming down the tracks as we speak. It's difficult, at best, to invest time, training, money etc into the face of your program and have him leave after two years (i suppose the NIL being different from the university could be a issue to work out). That's one reason so many civilian contracts prohibit many high-level positions from taking the same position at a competing entity until a set amount of time has passed. It's simply not a sustainable model. I personally still like the QB learning the system, waiting his turn, then running the program.
 
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HooahVol said:
This is not another Nico thread although he fits the spirit of what I am trying to say. Saturday we saw Arch, the 6.8 million dollar man, really do nothing very impressive. We saw Klubnik, the 3.4 million dollar man, struggle mightily against LSU. We watched another 5 star, Ty Simpson, get destroyed by FSU. He just looked lost. Of course, we know the Nico story. Then you watch guys like JA and John Mateer at Oklahoma, both journey men who have learned the game at smaller schools and transfer in with experience just light the place up. While occasionally you get a Trevor Lawrence who comes in and changes everything their Freshman year that is very much the exception, not the rule. If Texas, for example, used some of that 6.8 million to get more offensive weapons I think they would be a better team.

I said all this on this forum instead of the around the NCAA one because I really think Heup has figured this out. He tried sticking with Milton because of the cannon for the arm but it did not fit. He got a little starried eyed with Nico because he was the prettiest girl at prom that year recruiting but Nico really never fit Heup's system. I think now Heupel knows divas can really screw up a locker room and his system needs a decent duel threat QB, not a NFL pocket passer. The extra money can be spent on important things like offensive line. Honestly, I think Heupel was the first coach to really embrace all the changes in college football and is now the first coach to start figuring out how to really make it work.
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No
 
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Hell yeah it's worth it. Most of the money comes from outside sources and the hype keeps the stadium, restaurants and bars full an the merch flowing. Very few of the 5* turn out to be Peyton Manning but most are not complete busts either.
 
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HooahVol said:
This is not another Nico thread although he fits the spirit of what I am trying to say. Saturday we saw Arch, the 6.8 million dollar man, really do nothing very impressive. We saw Klubnik, the 3.4 million dollar man, struggle mightily against LSU. We watched another 5 star, Ty Simpson, get destroyed by FSU. He just looked lost. Of course, we know the Nico story. Then you watch guys like JA and John Mateer at Oklahoma, both journey men who have learned the game at smaller schools and transfer in with experience just light the place up. While occasionally you get a Trevor Lawrence who comes in and changes everything their Freshman year that is very much the exception, not the rule. If Texas, for example, used some of that 6.8 million to get more offensive weapons I think they would be a better team.

I said all this on this forum instead of the around the NCAA one because I really think Heup has figured this out. He tried sticking with Milton because of the cannon for the arm but it did not fit. He got a little starried eyed with Nico because he was the prettiest girl at prom that year recruiting but Nico really never fit Heup's system. I think now Heupel knows divas can really screw up a locker room and his system needs a decent duel threat QB, not a NFL pocket passer. The extra money can be spent on important things like offensive line. Honestly, I think Heupel was the first coach to really embrace all the changes in college football and is now the first coach to start figuring out how to really make it work.
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A great qb can absolutely elevate a program and is worth the money, but I think an argument could be made that the money is spoiling the product. Handing a 18yo qb millions and making them an instant star makes them enamored with themselves, cars, girls, money, etc..... The exact opposite of the values that you want to instill in a young QB. Very few 18yos can handle that. It is more pronounced in qb's because it is harder to sit them on the bench every time they need to get their head screwed on straight like other positions. I think we are going to see more JA situations where qb's elevate themselves from lower tier programs and become highly sought after in the portal....especially if he continues to have success. I'm no talent scout, but I was personally disappointed in Nico's first interview. He didn't talk like a young man who had the maturity level to rise above pressures of culture and money and have the focus to become great. He had some coaching to say some of the right things, but he talked like a 18yo that had been handed a few million dollars. The coach that has the ability to identifiy that maturity is going to find the successful qb in sea of dude money pits.
 
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It seems one item they can't evaluate is processing speed needed for faster speed in college, which it seems is one of the more important.
 
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volfeeva said:
The problem with giving a lot of money to an unproven QB ( example Nico ) is you groom them for a couple years and when it's pay off time they bail on you or demand more money. There needs to be protections put in the contracts that money is paid back if a player doesn't stay to finish his part of the bargain
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What was the bargain?

Contracts are two-way. If you want protections, you have to give protections. Do you want to offer them a longer deal in exchange for their commitment?
 
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Window was closing.

IMHO, Big Nico saw that his son's HS talents were not progressing to the college level as assumed. He was afraid Lil Nico would get benched/recruited over and decided to force UT to pay up way ahead of schedule ie. "get the money while the money is good". It backfired. People living in Appalachia aren't nearly as stupid as people in LA think.

I'll be surprised if the former 5* doesn't get benched/recruited over soon.
 
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