Are Old Testament Stories Allegory or Literal History?

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Wtf. There is no argument here, which is why Gramps conceded.

It's talking about how God manifests himself to believers via the holy ghost (aka rebirth, aka confirmation) and how this phenomenon seems like foolishness to non-believers.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Nothing in that scripture suggests "the natural mind cannot understand the mind of God", read logically.
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n_huffhines said:
Wtf. There is no argument here, which is why Gramps conceded.

It's talking about how God manifests himself to believers via the holy ghost (aka rebirth, aka confirmation) and how this phenomenon seems like foolishness to non-believers.
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You may want to go back and read the entire context.

I suspect that Gramps conceded so as not to waste a discussion with someone who said that a text about the "mind of God" (vs 11) is not about the "mind of God", and claimed that it's about the Spirit of God, not God.

You could open the context still further to Jesus, who testified that He left us the Spirit to lead us and guide us into all truth.

I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. For he will not speak on his own authority, but will speak whatever he hears, and will tell you what is to come.
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That is what Paul is speaking of, which includes the reality of the gospel message but contains much more. Paul is saying that Christians will know and perceive the truths of God, but those truths will seem silly to unsaved people because unsaved people will want to know God through logic instead of through His Son (ch1), and because they do not have the Spiritual receptors (ch 2) to perceive the truths.

You're wrong, huf. I'm not trying to be a jerk at all. You're just wrong.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Gramps doesn't usually give up easy but you're way more stubborn than him. Congrats.
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Now Huff, when has Gramps ever been stubborn? :)

We need the guidance of the Holy Spirit in interpreting God’s Word.

The carnal mind of man is incapable of interpreting God’s Word because as sinners we think it is foolishness. The Holy Spirit helps us to understand what God’s Word means and how to apply it. The carnal feeble mind of man cannot comprehend the mind of God or God's Word. One should always pray before he/she reads the Bible and ask God to give him/her an understanding of His Word.

You are a smart guy Huff. You surely are not trying to argue that God would make his creation with the same knowledge and wisdom as he has. IMHO, God laughs at the feeble little mind of man that thinks they can have all the answers to the universe.
 
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IDK what you guys are trying to argue to save face. All I'm saying is the scripture you originally quoted was not talking about whether or not I can understand how God made Jonah survive inside the belly of a fish.
 
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I think the scripture you are looking for is Iaiah. 55:9? This will be fun. Going off memory I haven't used in 10 years.
 
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n_huffhines said:
IDK what you guys are trying to argue to save face. All I'm saying is the scripture you originally quoted was not talking about whether or not I can understand how God made Jonah survive inside the belly of a fish.
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You appear to have a problem comprehending using your carnal mind Huff.

Let us see if this Scripture helps.

1 Corinthians

2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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Gramps said:
You appear to have a problem comprehending using your carnal mind Huff.

Let us see if this Scripture helps.

1 Corinthians

2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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Ok. So if it is saying that I can't understand how God made Jonah survive in the belly of the fish, then it is also saying this has been revealed to believers. You know how Jonah survived?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Ok. So if it is saying that I can't understand how God made Jonah survive in the belly of the fish, then it is also saying this has been revealed to believers. You know how Jonah survived?
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Luke 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
 
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n_huffhines said:
This has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
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There is nothing that can be posted that you would accept.


A man that thinks he has the intellect to understand all things is a foolish man( not saying this is you). There have been and will be mysteries in this world that cannot be explained by man's feeble little mind.
 
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Gramps said:
There is nothing that can be posted that you would accept.


A man that thinks he has the intellect to understand all things is a foolish man( not saying this is you). There have been and will be mysteries in this world that cannot be explained by man's feeble little mind.
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But that's not what we are talking about. We are talking about the original scripture you quoted. I already gave you a scripture to support the point you were trying to make. You don't need to find more.
 
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Gramps said:
There is nothing that can be posted that you would accept.


A man that thinks he has the intellect to understand all things is a foolish man( not saying this is you). There have been and will be mysteries in this world that cannot be explained by man's feeble little mind.
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Why are you bringing Obama into the conversation ? 😎
 
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n_huffhines said:
But that's not what we are talking about. We are talking about the original scripture you quoted. I already gave you a scripture to support the point you were trying to make. You don't need to find more.
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I think it all ties together. :hi:



You doing okay after your surgeries?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You may want to go back and read the entire context.

I suspect that Gramps conceded so as not to waste a discussion with someone who said that a text about the "mind of God" (vs 11) is not about the "mind of God", and claimed that it's about the Spirit of God, not God.

You could open the context still further to Jesus, who testified that He left us the Spirit to lead us and guide us into all truth.



That is what Paul is speaking of, which includes the reality of the gospel message but contains much more. Paul is saying that Christians will know and perceive the truths of God, but those truths will seem silly to unsaved people because unsaved people will want to know God through logic instead of through His Son (ch1), and because they do not have the Spiritual receptors (ch 2) to perceive the truths.

You're wrong, huf. I'm not trying to be a jerk at all. You're just wrong.
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Interesting theology, pastor.
 
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Obsessed said:
I'm glad you and OC have the fortitude to keep up the good fight, I myself won't waste my time.
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While it appears to be an useless endeavor to debate the anti-religious posters, there is a small chance that the truth about God could help just one of the many people that reads this forum find God, that makes the debate worthwhile.
 
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