Are Fainting Goats the Real Problem?

[livefaith]

Like most of you, I'm tired of watching fake injury. Something certainly needs to be done about the unfair advantage gained by a coaching staff who asks their players to deceive officials and access mercy illicitly. It's as disgusting a sight as all the fake drama that soccer players act out, in order to get a penalty call.

That being said, I have a bigger question. Is this whole concept of "playing fast" damaging the game as a whole? After all, playing fast like we and others do (and Chip Kelly enshrined) is about manipulating a defense's ability to exchange personnel for each down's situation and to catch the defenses unready and unprepared to defend so as to gain advantage. For example, our 70yd TD v Bama was not a play that "out-executed" Bama in any significant way, other than catching the defense unprepared in time for the snap. It's an offensive scheme that "takes advantage" of little seams in the rules in order to gain advantage. It's apparently 100% legal and becoming more commonplace. But, is this really healthy for the game of football itself? This has now given rise to the regular "fake injury as defensive scheme". One that would organically disappear if "hurry up" was controlled in some manner.

This will be hard for those of us w OR colored glasses, bc we are on the "advantage" side of this right now. Can we remove those glasses and act like our team has nothing to do with this for a moment. Can we truthfully say that "hurry up" offense is making the sport better? What if rules were in place where defenses could have ample time to change personnel as well as get their defense set before the snap. Would that make the sport MORE of what we really love ... or not? It sure has been awesome for over a century.

I'm not pontificating here. Just asking the question. A lot of discussion is going into fixing the rampant fake injury problem with rules. But, is it not worth visiting the a bigger question. That "hi paced" offense should be regulated somewhat so as not to upend the overall quality of the sport in general? So that defenses actually have non-winded players defending and are actually ready to defend at the snap. No solid position here. Just looking for thoughtful discussion.

And as for now, GBO ... catch them unprepared!

 

[GAVol]

Just put in a rule that says the offense can’t snap the ball until the play clock gets to :25 until the last 4 minutes of the half… and any player that goes down with an injury has to be evaluated on the end of the bench away from the coaches and can’t return until the next possession.

That would stop the goofy Center Judge holding up the snap thing and cut down on fake injuries.

 

[RockyTop140]

Do you not think that going fast wears out our o lineman as well? We trained and got into shape so we could play like this; if another defense can’t keep up, that means they gotta start getting into better shape. Faking an injury to get guys on the field is cheap. We’re not making substitutions, so the defense shouldn’t be able to fake an injury and catch a breath.

 

[FlintstoneGAVol]

Like most of you, I'm tired of watching fake injury. Something certainly needs to be done about the unfair advantage gained by a coaching staff who asks their players to deceive officials and access mercy illicitly. It's as disgusting a sight as all the fake drama that soccer players act out, in order to get a penalty call.

That being said, I have a bigger question. Is this whole concept of "playing fast" damaging the game as a whole? After all, playing fast like we and others do (and Chip Kelly enshrined) is about manipulating a defense's ability to exchange personnel for each down's situation and to catch the defenses unready and unprepared to defend so as to gain advantage. For example, our 70yd TD v Bama was not a play that "out-executed" Bama in any significant way, other than catching the defense unprepared in time for the snap. It's an offensive scheme that "takes advantage" of little seams in the rules in order to gain advantage. It's apparently 100% legal and becoming more commonplace. But, is this really healthy for the game of football itself? This has now given rise to the regular "fake injury as defensive scheme". One that would organically disappear if "hurry up" was controlled in some manner.

This will be hard for those of us w OR colored glasses, bc we are on the "advantage" side of this right now. Can we remove those glasses and act like our team has nothing to do with this for a moment. Can we truthfully say that "hurry up" offense is making the sport better? What if rules were in place where defenses could have ample time to change personnel as well as get their defense set before the snap. Would that make the sport MORE of what we really love ... or not? It sure has been awesome for over a century.

I'm not pontificating here. Just asking the question. A lot of discussion is going into fixing the rampant fake injury problem with rules. But, is it not worth visiting the a bigger question. That "hi paced" offense should be regulated somewhat so as not to upend the overall quality of the sport in general? So that defenses actually have non-winded players defending and are actually ready to defend at the snap. No solid position here. Just looking for thoughtful discussion.

And as for now, GBO ... catch them unprepared!

No, it's not so much as catching someone unprepared as it is limiting the ability to substitute. If someone has figured out a better way then they should able to use that way. Football is always evolving. We don't play like we did in the 50's and 60's. My guess is a lot of those really old teams would like to have eliminated the forward pass. What you are describing and fake injuries are not at all the same.

 

[onevol74]

The rules apply to both offense and defense on both teams. Has nothing to do wussified players acting as fainting goats.

The only way to eliminate injuries in football is to have contactless play.

 

[onevol74]

Make a rule that says a player can not return to the field for the remaining minutes of the present quarter.

 

[vollygirl]

Study hard, practice hard, play fast ...... vs ...... lay down when your coach signals.

 

[VolArmy74]

The offense is rightly in charge of the play clock when they have the ball. Some offenses may want to run the clock to 1 and snap it every play, some may want to snap is as soon as possible. The defense already gets to operate way more freely than the offense. They don't have to have any number set on the lines. They don't have any rules about who can drop back in coverage or rush the passer. They don't have to get set. They can shift around. So no, I don't think the offense should have to change their pace to try and accommodate the defense. Just make two rules regarding injury substitutions. Only the injured player can be subbed for. The injured player can't return on that possession unless you use a time out.

 

[FïreBall]

Make a rule that says a player can not return to the field for the remaining minutes of the present quarter.

And only that player with the injury can substitute at the time of injury along with none of the coaching can step on the field other than to attend to the injured player. I thought this was a rule already in place, but I may be mistaken.

 

[Ratvol]

Fainting goats be like Ole Piss fake injuries.

Go VOLS

 

[jim pique]

Don't do anthing except the player who goes down with an injury,real or fake,cannot return to the field until that offense's series is over.This will effectively halt the flop.In our case against Ole Miss,they would have had two or three players on the field,assuring a touchdown.Diminishing returns.

 

[golfballs]

Being able to substitute players on every play is not a feature of the sport. So it’s not unsportsmanlike to play in a way that doesn’t easily allow for it. Faking injuries is by definition unsportsmanlike. So no, I don’t think the two are even close to the same.

 

[DaddyChad]

Do you not think that going fast wears out our o lineman as well? We trained and got into shape so we could play like this; if another defense can’t keep up, that means they gotta start getting into better shape. Faking an injury to get guys on the field is cheap. We’re not making substitutions, so the defense shouldn’t be able to fake an injury and catch a breath.

It’s not just the physical toll, it’s mental as well being able to stay disciplined and somewhat predict what the offense will do.

 

[sechamp2012]

No, it's not so much as catching someone unprepared as it is limiting the ability to substitute. If someone has figured out a better way then they should able to use that way. Football is always evolving. We don't play like we did in the 50's and 60's. My guess is a lot of those really old teams would like to have eliminated the forward pass. What you are describing and fake injuries are not at all the same.

It's funny how Ole Miss evolved from racist Rebels to Fainting Goats
Ole Miss Rebels
Ole Miss Black Bears
Ole Miss Land Sharks
Ole Miss Fainting Goats

 

[JCHateSteve]

Are you gonna get rid of all the movement defenses use to disguise coverage? What about stunts? Should we not throw to a receiver if the D doesn't cover him by mistake?

Defenses know we're gonna go fast. If they can't get lined up correctly, that's thier problem.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Alabama fans were booing our players going down. Even after I explained to them that when a player stays down after play that leads into a TV time out. There’s a chance they are really hurt. Then stated they shouldn’t have so many cookies before the game. They never even consider that they could really be hurt and it is coached to get checked before getting up and making it worse.

The first penalty given on a season ending injury will look bad.

Faking an injury really messes with the integrity of the game between the lines. It’s always been what you can get away with when it comes to holding in the trenches, hand checking and wearing cleats that are too long.

I’m not to the point of cheating like that to win.

 

[JWilly]

Alabama fans were booing our players going down. Even after I explained to them that when a player stays down after play that leads into a TV time out. There’s a chance they are really hurt. Then stated they shouldn’t have so many cookies before the game. They never even consider that they could really be hurt and it is coached to get checked before getting up and making it worse.

The first penalty given on a season ending injury will look bad.

Faking an injury really messes with the integrity of the game between the lines. It’s always been what you can get away with when it comes to holding in the trenches, hand checking and wearing cleats that are too long.

I’m not to the point of cheating like that to win.

UT’s defense was on the field 40.5 minutes of the Bama game. I began to wonder about some of those injuries. They really seemed gassed.

 

[Iam4utalways]

UT’s defense was on the field 40.5 minutes of the Bama game. I began to wonder about some of those injuries. They really seemed gassed.

I don’t care much for booing players. Their’s or ours. Boo a fan or a Ref, sure no problem. The only good things about Butch Jones is the way he would lose it on a Ref and the Florida win.

 

[guido4198]

The difference is playing fast is an honest skill set that a coach builds into his offense. The
“ Ole Miss Flop” begins with a totally dishonest action by a player. There’s absolutely NO reason to restrict legitimate skills from being used if the offense can make it work.

 

[jonnon111]

I just hope it doesn't get over legislated. Have the player sit out for a set amount of game time 3:00 seems reasonable, so that teams that go fast benefit more to discourage it.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Like most of you, I'm tired of watching fake injury. Something certainly needs to be done about the unfair advantage gained by a coaching staff who asks their players to deceive officials and access mercy illicitly. It's as disgusting a sight as all the fake drama that soccer players act out, in order to get a penalty call.

That being said, I have a bigger question. Is this whole concept of "playing fast" damaging the game as a whole? After all, playing fast like we and others do (and Chip Kelly enshrined) is about manipulating a defense's ability to exchange personnel for each down's situation and to catch the defenses unready and unprepared to defend so as to gain advantage. For example, our 70yd TD v Bama was not a play that "out-executed" Bama in any significant way, other than catching the defense unprepared in time for the snap. It's an offensive scheme that "takes advantage" of little seams in the rules in order to gain advantage. It's apparently 100% legal and becoming more commonplace. But, is this really healthy for the game of football itself? This has now given rise to the regular "fake injury as defensive scheme". One that would organically disappear if "hurry up" was controlled in some manner.

This will be hard for those of us w OR colored glasses, bc we are on the "advantage" side of this right now. Can we remove those glasses and act like our team has nothing to do with this for a moment. Can we truthfully say that "hurry up" offense is making the sport better? What if rules were in place where defenses could have ample time to change personnel as well as get their defense set before the snap. Would that make the sport MORE of what we really love ... or not? It sure has been awesome for over a century.

I'm not pontificating here. Just asking the question. A lot of discussion is going into fixing the rampant fake injury problem with rules. But, is it not worth visiting the a bigger question. That "hi paced" offense should be regulated somewhat so as not to upend the overall quality of the sport in general? So that defenses actually have non-winded players defending and are actually ready to defend at the snap. No solid position here. Just looking for thoughtful discussion.

And as for now, GBO ... catch them unprepared!

This argument was trotted out when the forward pass became popular and also with every other innovation that takes "advantage" of little seams in the rules.

Faking injuries is a problem and will cause new rules to be put in place. Going fast is completely within every rule that has ever existed in football.

 

[malibuvol]

Talking about fainting goats reminded me of James Banks play in OT at Alabama in 2003...He just fell over before the ball was snap...

 

[MAD]

 

[BanditVol]

Like most of you, I'm tired of watching fake injury. Something certainly needs to be done about the unfair advantage gained by a coaching staff who asks their players to deceive officials and access mercy illicitly. It's as disgusting a sight as all the fake drama that soccer players act out, in order to get a penalty call.

That being said, I have a bigger question. Is this whole concept of "playing fast" damaging the game as a whole? After all, playing fast like we and others do (and Chip Kelly enshrined) is about manipulating a defense's ability to exchange personnel for each down's situation and to catch the defenses unready and unprepared to defend so as to gain advantage. For example, our 70yd TD v Bama was not a play that "out-executed" Bama in any significant way, other than catching the defense unprepared in time for the snap. It's an offensive scheme that "takes advantage" of little seams in the rules in order to gain advantage. It's apparently 100% legal and becoming more commonplace. But, is this really healthy for the game of football itself? This has now given rise to the regular "fake injury as defensive scheme". One that would organically disappear if "hurry up" was controlled in some manner.

This will be hard for those of us w OR colored glasses, bc we are on the "advantage" side of this right now. Can we remove those glasses and act like our team has nothing to do with this for a moment. Can we truthfully say that "hurry up" offense is making the sport better? What if rules were in place where defenses could have ample time to change personnel as well as get their defense set before the snap. Would that make the sport MORE of what we really love ... or not? It sure has been awesome for over a century.

I'm not pontificating here. Just asking the question. A lot of discussion is going into fixing the rampant fake injury problem with rules. But, is it not worth visiting the a bigger question. That "hi paced" offense should be regulated somewhat so as not to upend the overall quality of the sport in general? So that defenses actually have non-winded players defending and are actually ready to defend at the snap. No solid position here. Just looking for thoughtful discussion.

And as for now, GBO ... catch them unprepared!

Your sense of timing is atrocious. Find something else to complain about.

Yes we are on the advantage side of this, and no, I will not take off my orange colored glasses.

Come on....

 

[Smokymtnbullet]

The true problem here lies within Ole Miss’ conditioning coach that guy needs fired yesterday!