Are Dobbs' Mechanical Issues Fixable? - Article

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Oh it's not going to be a surprise for me. It'll be a surprise for the ignorant masses like you. But I know talent when I see it. And Dobbs screams NFL superstar talent.

And honestly the only thing that angers me about all the disrespect you guys throw at Dobbs ability is the fact I can see how great he is and you clowns can't see it at all.

I guess we'll just have to wait until Dobbs is winning rookie of the year next year for you clowns to see what I've seen all along.
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negative. you know who it's directed at.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Are you suggesting that Josh Dobbs was as nearly effective or as polished a QB as Dak Prescott was in college?
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At the same age and 4 years into their college careers, they had nearly identical stats.

Josh Dobbs in 2016 as a 21 year old 4th year senior

63.0% completion percentage (225/357 pass attempts)
2,946 passing yards
8.3 yards per pass attempt
27 TD passes
12 INTs
150.6 QB Rating

Dak Prescott in 2014 as a 21 year old 4th year junior

61.6% completion percentage (244/396 pass attempts)
3,449 passing yards
8.7 yards per pass attempt
27 TD passes
11 INTs
151.7 QB Rating

Dobbs had slightly better completion percentage while Dak had a slight advantage in yards per pass attempt. Also one less INT for Dak. Other than that, the numbers are eerily similar outside of Dak having a little more volume in terms of pass attempts.

Statistically Dobbs and Dak actually track very similar in college at the same age and years in college. Josh just never had the privilege of a redshirt year to give him a 5th year of eligibility.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No. You said he had plenty of bad games. And cited Florida 2015 as a bad game. I simply argued that was false. Florida 2015 was the farthest thing from a bad game.
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Yes, 10 for 17 with 83 passing yards with no passing TDs is a bad game as a QB. He won't get the luxury of using his legs in the NFL as the league will contain that. Dobbs was a great running back though.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Oh it's not going to be a surprise for me. It'll be a surprise for the ignorant masses like you. But I know talent when I see it. And Dobbs screams NFL superstar talent.

And honestly the only thing that angers me about all the disrespect you guys throw at Dobbs ability is the fact I can see how great he is and you clowns can't see it at all.

I guess we'll just have to wait until Dobbs is winning rookie of the year next year for you clowns to see what I've seen all along.
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Feel free to leave Lance.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Why do you pick and choose stats? Sacks are a QB stat. Dumping the ball off is not one of Dobbs strong points. One read, no one open, tuck and run, get sacked. Wash, rinse and repeat.
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No they're not. Its typically an offensive line stat unless the QB is guy who hangs onto the ball.

Most of the time our offensive line is so bad that Josh doesn't even get a chance to look at his first read. The pocket immediately collapses.

Did you forget how this offense looked in 2014 before Dobbs took over?

Without Josh the last 2 years, we don't even score 20 points per game.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No they're not. Its typically an offensive line stat unless the QB is guy who hangs onto the ball.

Most of the time our offensive line is so bad that Josh doesn't even get a chance to look at his first read. The pocket immediately collapses.

Did you forget how this offense looked in 2014 before Dobbs took over?

Without Josh the last 2 years, we don't even score 20 points per game.
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Even when he had time, he was still one read and tuck. The last sentence is possibly true.
 
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Burger said:
Yes, 10 for 17 with 83 passing yards with no passing TDs is a bad game as a QB. He won't get the luxury of using his legs in the NFL as the league will contain that.
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Once again did you watch the game?

Before the final drive of the game when we had to throw the ball, Josh had only 12 pass attempts. The reason we didn't throw the ball was because the offensive line couldn't protect against the Florida pass rush. On the first few drives of the game we tried to drop back and pass but Josh was sacked immediately on both of our opening drives.

That is why the rest of the game was Josh dominating based on designed runs and scrambles. It was lack of protection by the offensive line that led to the low number of passing yards and attempts that game. Not because Dobbs wasn't or couldn't throw the ball well enough that game.

Watch the game dude rather than just looking at the box score and thinking you can tell what happened from that.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Oh it's not going to be a surprise for me. It'll be a surprise for the ignorant masses like you. But I know talent when I see it. And Dobbs screams NFL superstar talent.

And honestly the only thing that angers me about all the disrespect you guys throw at Dobbs ability is the fact I can see how great he is and you clowns can't see it at all.

I guess we'll just have to wait until Dobbs is winning rookie of the year next year for you clowns to see what I've seen all along.
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Its not disrespect towards Josh....but it is complete, 100% disrespect for you and your opinions.

It's not disrespect to discuss both the positive and negative aspects of an athlete and/or football player. For example, Adrian Peterson has had a phenomenal career, is a sure fire first ballot HOF running back. But he has hands of stone and has always been limited by his inability to be effective catching the ball out of the backfield. Is that "disrespect" or is it an honest assessment of the one weakness in his game? Of course, it's the latter. Same goes for Josh and any other player.
 
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KBVol said:
Its not disrespect towards Josh....but it is complete, 100% disrespect for you and your opinions.

It's not disrespect to discuss both the positive and negative aspects of an athlete and/or football player. For example, Adrian Peterson has had a phenomenal career, is a sure fire first ballot HOF running back. But he has hands of stone and has always been limited by his inability to be effective catching the ball out of the backfield. Is that "disrespect" or is it an honest assessment of the one weakness in his game? Of course, it's the latter. Same goes for Josh and any other player.
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A RBs main job is running not pass catching so saying Adrian couldn't do that isn't disrespect. Saying a QB can't pass accurately is disrespect. That is how I see all these threads about Josh and his passing ability. Y'all are always saying he's not good enough to be a NFL QB.

That is disrespect especially when it comes from the players own fanbase.

Its sad when guys like Todd McShay have more respect for Josh's potential as a NFL QB than his own fanbase. And y'all wonder why I think something else is involved?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
A RBs main job is running not pass catching so saying Adrian couldn't do that isn't disrespect. Saying a QB can't pass accurately is disrespect. That is how I see all these threads about Josh and his passing ability. Y'all are always saying he's not good enough to be a NFL QB.

That is disrespect especially when it comes from the players own fanbase.

Its sad when guys like Todd McShay have more respect for Josh's potential as a NFL QB than his own fanbase. And y'all wonder why I think something else is involved?
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I'm aware why you think something else is involved. It has exponentially more to do with you and your character than anyone else's.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Once again did you watch the game?

Before the final drive of the game when we had to throw the ball, Josh had only 12 pass attempts. The reason we didn't throw the ball was because the offensive line couldn't protect against the Florida pass rush. On the first few drives of the game we tried to drop back and pass but Josh was sacked immediately on both of our opening drives.

That is why the rest of the game was Josh dominating based on designed runs and scrambles. It was lack of protection by the offensive line that led to the low number of passing yards and attempts that game. Not because Dobbs wasn't or couldn't throw the ball well enough that game.

Watch the game dude rather than just looking at the box score and thinking you can tell what happened from that.
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Hence why I don't think he will be a great pro QB. He's too quick to run, which will get him killed in the NFL like RGIII.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
So you guys are not saying he's not a great passer? You agree with me that his passing ability is great?

Cause to me anyone who thinks Dobbs won't be a great QB in the NFL is disrespecting him.
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His passing ability is in no way, shape, form or fashion "great".

You're last sentence there is utterly ridiculous and nonsensical. As usual.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
A RBs main job is running not pass catching so saying Adrian couldn't do that isn't disrespect. Saying a QB can't pass accurately is disrespect. That is how I see all these threads about Josh and his passing ability. Y'all are always saying he's not good enough to be a NFL QB.

That is disrespect especially when it comes from the players own fanbase.

Its sad when guys like Todd McShay have more respect for Josh's potential as a NFL QB than his own fanbase. And y'all wonder why I think something else is involved?
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We all like Justin Worley, but none of us think he was an NFL QB either.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
A RBs main job is running not pass catching so saying Adrian couldn't do that isn't disrespect. Saying a QB can't pass accurately is disrespect. That is how I see all these threads about Josh and his passing ability. Y'all are always saying he's not good enough to be a NFL QB.

That is disrespect especially when it comes from the players own fanbase.

Its sad when guys like Todd McShay have more respect for Josh's potential as a NFL QB than his own fanbase. And y'all wonder why I think something else is involved?
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Can you not understand anything? How did you read that post and come up with that response? I wasn't arguing what a running back's primary function/purpose is. I was giving you an example of fair criticism of a player. As great of a running back AP is, he's not perfect, he has a primary weakness, like most players have..... he's not a good option to catch the ball out of the backfield....like say, Alvin Kamara is, like Jalen Hurd was.

As far as you going to the race card, again....that's your lack of character, your bigotry and your poor judgment at play here.

Oh hell, never mind, what's the use?


Edit: actually one more thing. Saying we disagree with you that Josh Dobbs, who still has mechanical issues to iron out with respect to his passing ability, is going to be an all-time great NFL hall of fame type qb based on what we've seen of him these last 4 years, IS NOT disrespecting him or being racist. For crying out loud kid, grow the hell up.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Justin Worley didn't have 1% of the success Dobbs did. Comparing Justin Worley to Josh Dobbs is like comparing Reggie White to LaTroy Lewis.

Please Stop.
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You totally missed the point. I was saying that we all liked Justin Worley while he was here, but nobody thought he was an NFL QB. Just saying this has nothing to do with either one of them as a person.
 
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Burger said:
You totally missed the point. I was saying that we all liked Justin Worley while he was here, but nobody thought he was an NFL QB. Just saying this has nothing to do with either one of them as a person.
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Obviously I understood that. I'm not here saying you have to think every kid who plays for the Vols is great. But Josh Dobbs isn't just any other kid. He aint some irrelevant guy people will forget in a few years like Worley.

Josh Dobbs is a LEGENDARY player for the Vols.

To diminish the ability of a player of his stature is disrespectful. Players like Justin Worley dont have that clout or deserve that level of respect.
 
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