Appreciating Oklahoma

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UT and the degenerates at Ohio St are the only 2 programs in the nation that have never won fewer than 5 games in a season. That's an impressive stat, especially playing in the SEC
 
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Yes, Stoops has made "stoopid" remarks about the SEC due to paranoia. Yes, I want to beat the Sooners like a drum. However, I heard that Sooner fans treated Vol fans well last year & trust that ours will reciprocate.
Okay, now we can take a collection & say "Amen". :hi:
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
I am not disputing Oklahoma's rightful place among the absolute crème de la crème of college football programs. The Big 12 conference, however, is a stronger and more balanced conference than the old Big Eight. Furthermore, several of the programs that currently are good (Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma State) have never sustained the level of success that Oklahoma and Nebraska did over many decades. Traditional powers are designated as such because their peaks have been higher and longer than lesser programs. Conversely, their valleys typically have been less severe and of briefer duration.
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I absolutely agree with that point. You could make a similar point and say that UT has benefited from playing Vandy/UK over 200 times. I'm sure every top program has teams they've played a lot and gotten wins over. I don't disagree that OU was in a two man conference for nearly 40 years. But they ended a lot of seasons with wins in bowl games.

chatt-townVOL said:
Great post OP, only problem is "They have the most wins since WW2."

That's always a pet peeve of mine. You can pretty much pick any time period and manipulate the numbers to play in your favor.

I have a buddy who is a Miami fan. He constantly reiterates "My team is the most successful team in your lifetime" (I was born in 1985). Vandy could also say they are 2-1 against us in the last 3 years, those kind of stats don't mean much.
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I actually thought 70+ years was a good sample size. They also have the record for least finishes outside the top 25, which is an interesting stat. WW2 happens to be a good starting point for OU because at 1947, coach Bud Wilkinson came to the school. But I picked it more because WW2 was an easy date to pick. Nothing more really lol. It's a good point for reference after the game grew so much in the 30s. It's a time that nearly every American can immediately recognize.
 
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I understand that programs like Tennessee or Alabama have a much longer history and tradition but you have to remember OK did not become a state until 1907. Up until the mid-30's the school and the program were simply not where others were nationally. The "modern era" of college football is generally considered to be at the advent of the AP poll in 1936 or at the end of WW11. Whichever is your starting point, OU is universally recognized as the #1 program in the modern era. We hold the longest winning streak, we invented the 3-4 D, we were the first to use the hurry up O. We invented the Oklahoma Drill. No program has sustained excellence over such a prolonged period of time as OU. In much of that period, particularly in the 70's and 80's the Big 8 was second to no other conference in terms of strength. All I can say is, most can generally agree on the top 5 programs all time in college football and we are one of them.
 
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owenfieldreams said:
I understand that programs like Tennessee or Alabama have a much longer history and tradition but you have to remember OK did not become a state until 1907. Up until the mid-30's the school and the program were simply not where others were nationally. The "modern era" of college football is generally considered to be at the advent of the AP poll in 1936 or at the end of WW11. Whichever is your starting point, OU is universally recognized as the #1 program in the modern era. We hold the longest winning streak, we invented the 3-4 D, we were the first to use the hurry up O. We invented the Oklahoma Drill. No program has sustained excellence over such a prolonged period of time as OU. In much of that period, particularly in the 70's and 80's the Big 8 was second to no other conference in terms of strength. All I can say is, most can generally agree on the top 5 programs all time in college football and we are one of them.
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Fair points made.

I've always found it interesting to see how some of the top programs had such a head start on most teams. Michigan had something like 70 wins by 1900. Most other programs didn't even start until 1900-1910. So for sure there's a major difference between the early and modern history of college football. And I think the game we saw in the 30s and 40s was finally the start of the game we see today with similar styles and rules.
 
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Although Oklahoma is considered the best program in the modern era (Since WWII), I always love talking to my dad about how Barry Switzer and Nebraska at the time would recruit. They would over-sign every year, lying to recruits about playing time, just to make sure they didn't go elsewhere. Basically, he says Barry Switzer would struggle in today's day and age. Even Switzer went into a lull during the late 70's and early 80's.

Oklahoma does deserve respect as a traditional power, but Switzer never got challenged for the Big 8 title. Just like OU never was consistently challenged up until 2011 for the Big 12 title. It's a new day and age, where Baylor and TCU can out recruit the likenesses of Oklahoma and Texas because they can offer competition in a P5 conference in the hotbed that is Dallas and Houston.
 
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OklahomaUpdated said:
Although Oklahoma is considered the best program in the modern era (Since WWII), I always love talking to my dad about how Barry Switzer and Nebraska at the time would recruit. They would over-sign every year, lying to recruits about playing time, just to make sure they didn't go elsewhere. Basically, he says Barry Switzer would struggle in today's day and age. Even Switzer went into a lull during the late 70's and early 80's.

Oklahoma does deserve respect as a traditional power, but Switzer never got challenged for the Big 8 title. Just like OU never was consistently challenged up until 2011 for the Big 12 title. It's a new day and age, where Baylor and TCU can out recruit the likenesses of Oklahoma and Texas because they can offer competition in a P5 conference in the hotbed that is Dallas and Houston.
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Baylor has moved to Houston now?

Are you even an OU fan? Doesn't sound like it.
 
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OU deserves the respect a good football team deserves. They've become complacent with Stoops, he's another Fulmer coasting along drawing great money like he's #1 on past laurels, but routinely these days he's producing a bottom tier program. The fan base tolerates it as they know it can get worse, so Stoops it is. We are returning to prominence, not quite there, both teams have strengths and weaknesses, we should prevail. We're on the rise, OU is tredding water until their fan base requires more.
 
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Old J.R. from the WWF is an Oklahomo fan and will be in town on the sidelines for the game. He was very complementary of UT and Neyland stadium. He said he thought OK is actually overrated this year. He also pointed out that OK has never in its history played in a stadium with over 100,000 people.
 
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I just don't get the mystique of the 100k #. We can't help it that we haven't played TOSU or Alabama or T A&M after they expanded or that there were less than 100k in the Rose Bowl or the Coliseum when we played out west or that we have only played Penn St. and Michigan in bowl games or that we play Texas at a neutral site.
It's going to be a spectacle Sat. but I do not think the size of the crowd will have any effect on the outcome of the game
 
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Another little known fact about OU....in its relatively short history in major college football it has had the distinction of having 2 very well known "Voice of the Sooner Football Network". In the late 30's Walter Cronkite was "The Voice" and in the late 40's, Curt Gowdy held the same job.
 
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owenfieldreams said:
Another little known fact about OU....in its relatively short history in major college football it has had the distinction of having 2 very well known "Voice of the Sooner Football Network". In the late 30's Walter Cronkite was "The Voice" and in the late 40's, Curt Gowdy held the same job.
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Yeah but Cronkite and Gowdy were no John Ward :peace2:
 
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Snrynkee said:
"For decades, Oklahoma and Nebraska were the "big two" and the rest of the Big Eight comprised the "little six." The gulf between those two tiers was often as deep as the Grand Canyon."

That's like telling Joe DiMaggio that his 56 game hitting streak would be more impressive if he had done it during interleague play
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If he didn't do it against Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz it doesn't mean s*** IMO.



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Vol_is_Lyfe18 said:
Well the Vols are the winningest program since 1926. Whatchu got to say about that?
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That stat fluctuates back and forth with the peaks and valleys of various programs. As a result of Fulmer's strong run, it was last true for this period: I-A Winning Percentage 1926-2001. During that period, Tennessee was 1st in overall winning percentage and 2nd in total wins. The one stat that will not fluctuate is that Tennessee was the winningest program in both categories during the years bracketed by Neyland's tenure (1926-1952): I-A Winning Percentage 1926-1952.
 
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owenfieldreams said:
I just don't get the mystique of the 100k #. We can't help it that we haven't played TOSU or Alabama or T A&M after they expanded or that there were less than 100k in the Rose Bowl or the Coliseum when we played out west or that we have only played Penn St. and Michigan in bowl games or that we play Texas at a neutral site.
It's going to be a spectacle Sat. but I do not think the size of the crowd will have any effect on the outcome of the game
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Watch 2006 Cal vs Tn game crowd was a factor...
 
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Am I missing something? Where's the girls of Oklahoma thread? 😜


GBO!!!
 
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