Apologists for Black Lives Matter

[Weezer]

This doesn't jive with your av.

There is more theft in a poor neighborhood, thus the cops are justified in policing it more. The problem is when you pass laws that shouldn't be laws in the first place...like smoking pot. There are just as many people smoking pot in wealthy neighborhoods, but the police aren't there to catch them, thus the people who typically get busted are poor.

2 groups are committing the crime. 1 group does more time. That's called an injustice.

Did you have a stroke or something? Maybe I am mis-remembering you, but you used to be pretty chill and had more moderate opinions. Maybe I am thinking of Weezy?

Of course there are laws that shouldn't exist, but for the time being, they do. But I've seen people get in the same amount of trouble over drug possession regardless of skin color. And I don't think my stance has changed much. I think you've slid to the left.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Who is the victim of a voluntary drug deal?

That's kind of like saying who's the victim when you order a steak?

The cow would probably consider itself a victim.

The drug trade is violent. It's silly to sit there and believe that nothing bad happened to get whatever drug from wherever to your door. There are victims all along the way.

 

[k-town_king]

Huff, this argument is complete bull****. "Poor neighborhoods are policed more"? Why is that Huff? Is it because they're poor, or is it because the amount of crime is disproportionate to less poor neighborhoods? I would say the latter. And no one is forcing anyone to live in poverty. There are ways out of the poor neighborhoods through hard work and perseverance, but many don't want to put forth that effort. And that's not a black thing, that's not a white thing, that applies to any person unwilling to put forth effort and accept responsibility because it's easier to sit at home on your ass and draw checks from the govt. they claim they hate.

I have posted many links showing it is not that simple. Black people with college degrees get less response when job hunting than White people with felonies. Resumes with Black sounding names aren't taken seriously by many in position of power. Black people also make way less for the same job. These are facts. things are not as simple as working hard. A person that starts with nothing and work ten times as hard as someone born into a better situation will a lot of times still remain in a worse situation because of all they have to overcome.

If they did police more affluent neighborhoods more the crime rates would be closer. Not the same, because low income areas will always have more crime. The single biggest charge people are arrested for are drug charges. Drug usage and dealing are the same through all races and income levels. The people getting locked up for drugs are mostly poor minorities though. Even though they are a small minority of actual drug users and sellers. If they policed everyone equally way more White and affluent people would be arrested for drugs because they use, sell, and posses them at the same rates. They are rarely imprisoned for them though. Poor people are arrested for drugs more, then they receive longer sentences. Many White and or affluent people are afforded rehab and probation options not offered to poor citizens. This creates a huge imbalance in incarceration rates.

 

[n_huffhines]

I'm actually pro legalization, but unless things change, there are always potential victims of a voluntary drug deal. Gangs will still fight over turf as to who get to sell drugs where, and that involves random violence into which innocent people are often caught up in. You can't simply legalize drugs and let it go. There's far more to the process that needs to be worked out.

Turf wars come with prohibition. If you want turf wars to go away, end the war on drugs. I agree with what you're saying but I apply a different line of reasoning....the war on drugs is making victims where they wouldn't otherwise exist.

 

[n_huffhines]

That's kind of like saying who's the victim when you order a steak?

The cow would probably consider itself a victim.

The drug trade is violent. It's silly to sit there and believe that nothing bad happened to get whatever drug from wherever to your door. There are victims all along the way.

Those victims are created by the government's prohibition. The acts of growing, selling, buying, and consuming marijuana are not inherently dangerous to society. The danger comes when you make these actions illegal, thus the victims are only indirectly related to the market for drugs.

 

[Biopsyman]

Its the 1st on the month..

 

[Carl Pickens]

Every community has problems. When Christians come talking noise about drugs or pornography being a public health crisis, my response won't be:

"Cry me a river you big babies. Fix your own public health problems, starting with obesity, heart disease, and diabetes. How about some personal responsibility fatties?"

It's so douchey.

This post of yours is about as douchey as douchey gets....horrible analogy.... Awesomely horrible....

 

[37L1]

Turf wars come with prohibition. If you want turf wars to go away, end the war on drugs. I agree with what you're saying but I apply a different line of reasoning....the war on drugs is making victims where they wouldn't otherwise exist.

You do not understand gangs or gang life. Turf wars are not always necessarily solely based upon drugs or the drug trade. It's territory, who comes and who goes and whose colors are recognized.

Read up on Nortenos/Surenos, their members are soldiers protecting their "land". Their activities are fueled by drugs but they also acquire funding through human trafficking and other illegal activity such as extortion and kidnapping.

 

[tumscalcium]

This post of yours is about as douchey as douchey gets....horrible analogy.... Awesomely horrible....

Well, he is one of the most stupid people here, so.......

 

[Carl Pickens]

This doesn't jive with your av.

There is more theft in a poor neighborhood, thus the cops are justified in policing it more. The problem is when you pass laws that shouldn't be laws in the first place...like smoking pot. There are just as many people smoking pot in wealthy neighborhoods, but the police aren't there to catch them, thus the people who typically get busted are poor.

2 groups are committing the crime. 1 group does more time. That's called an injustice.

Did you have a stroke or something? Maybe I am mis-remembering you, but you used to be pretty chill and had more moderate opinions. Maybe I am thinking of Weezy?

Dude have you ever even been in a seedy neighborhood? you ever drive through a gated community and see dudes jacked up on smack and smokin' weed acting a fool in the streets?
Your argument is a massive fail.

 

[Carl Pickens]

I have posted many links showing it is not that simple. Black people with college degrees get less response when job hunting than White people with felonies. Resumes with Black sounding names aren't taken seriously by many in position of power. Black people also make way less for the same job. These are facts. things are not as simple as working hard. A person that starts with nothing and work ten times as hard as someone born into a better situation will a lot of times still remain in a worse situation because of all they have to overcome.

If they did police more affluent neighborhoods more the crime rates would be closer. Not the same, because low income areas will always have more crime. The single biggest charge people are arrested for are drug charges. Drug usage and dealing are the same through all races and income levels. The people getting locked up for drugs are mostly poor minorities though. Even though they are a small minority of actual drug users and sellers. If they policed everyone equally way more White and affluent people would be arrested for drugs because they use, sell, and posses them at the same rates. They are rarely imprisoned for them though. Poor people are arrested for drugs more, then they receive longer sentences. Many White and or affluent people are afforded rehab and probation options not offered to poor citizens. This creates a huge imbalance in incarceration rates.

I graduated from TSU and I got two jobs BECAUSE the companies selected my resume because they thought I was black. my bosses shared this info with me once they got to know me.

My wife works in the HR dept of a Fortune 500 company and they bend over backwards to hire black people..... Summer internships? Not for whitey..... They're all black... Period. Black woman? She writes her own ticket.
I won't get started on the double standards that exist in government positions..... Dude you need to stop living in this BS fantasy world in which the white man is the satan of all things black.

 

[n_huffhines]

Dude have you ever even been in a seedy neighborhood? you ever drive through a gated community and see dudes jacked up on smack and smokin' weed acting a fool in the streets?
Your argument is a massive fail.

It seems you completely missed the point.

I lived in a good neighborhood growing up. I **** you not a 14 YO kid chased another one around with an axe after a scuffle. If we were in the hood, he probably would have been shot by the police, because they are already there. You act like the people who get caught are the only ones breaking the law. Wake up.

 

[tumscalcium]

It seems you completely missed the point.

I lived in a good neighborhood growing up. I **** you not a 14 YO kid chased another one around with an axe after a scuffle. If we were in the hood, he probably would have been shot. You act like the people who get caught are the only ones breaking the law. Wake up.

Wow. Are you ok? Do you need a shrink?

I lived in ultimate suburban America and had worse **** happen.

Do yourself a huge, huge favor and act like that didn't even happen to you. Good god man. Grow the f up.

 

[n_huffhines]

Wow. Are you ok? Do you need a shrink?

I lived in ultimate suburban America and had worse **** happen.

Do yourself a huge, huge favor and act like that didn't even happen to you. Good god man. Grow the f up.

WTF. This is not a pissing contest, there is an actual point I am making (and you are helping me make). :good!:

 

[Carl Pickens]

It seems you completely missed the point.

I lived in a good neighborhood growing up. I **** you not a 14 YO kid chased another one around with an axe after a scuffle. If we were in the hood, he probably would have been shot. You act like the people who get caught are the only ones breaking the law. Wake up.

You act like the cops would see rich white people loitering around smoking weed and drinking 40's on the street corner ..... You need to wake up. You've lived a sheltered life and haven't even had your ass kicked. You have zero street cred

 

[n_huffhines]

You act like the cops would see rich white people loitering around smoking weed and drinking 40's on the street corner ..... You need to wake up. You've lived a sheltered life and haven't even had your ass kicked. You have zero street cred

The things you say are so weird. You never address a point I actually make, you have to say BS like "you act like..." because you know damn well I didn't say it.

Grow up. Make better arguments. Or make better insults, or something. If your **** weren't so played out, I would enjoy it. Bring something clever to the table.

 

[tumscalcium]

The things you say are so weird. You never address a point I actually make, you have to say BS like "you act like..." because you know damn well I didn't say it.

Grow up. Make better arguments. Or make better insults, or something. If your **** weren't so played out, I would enjoy it. Bring something clever to the table.

It was beautiful poetry calling you for what you are.

#shame

 

[McDad]

After 500+ posts, have we decided whether or not black Lives matter?

 

[apevol]

After 500+ posts, have we decided whether or not black Lives matter?

A brief glimpse at a history book says nobody matters

 

[McDad]

A brief glimpse at a history book says nobody matters

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[DancingOutlaw]

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[joevol33]

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If you don't mind, we don't matter.

 

[Carl Pickens]

The things you say are so weird. You never address a point I actually make, you have to say BS like "you act like..." because you know damn well I didn't say it.

Grow up. Make better arguments. Or make better insults, or something. If your **** weren't so played out, I would enjoy it. Bring something clever to the table.

Let me dumb it down for Ya...YOU said this:

There are just as many people smoking pot in wealthy neighborhoods, but the police aren't there to catch them, thus the people who typically get busted are poor.

While your point here isn't exactly what I'd call accurate, there are wealthy white people that smoke weed.... But there aren't many CEOs, CFOs, Drs, Attys and etc. that wake up and hit the bong and then loiter around the neighborhood with other doped up white people drawing the attention of police.
The cops could ride through the wealthy neighborhoods, which the do all the damn time by the way....they're not going to see a lot of law breaking tom foolery going on.
Drive through the hood and its a s*** show..... Rocks sold on the corner, and etc.

Which is easier to catch? Yeah.... You made a dumb post and then you come back with some babbling claiming to not know what the point is, saying you're weird, incoherent and etc. which is your "go to" play.
you pull more ignorant **** out of your ass than Richard Simmons.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

It would be interesting to run a model and see what actually ends up the better choice.

If you legalized drugs AND released drug convicts from jail, you'd be setting loose millions of men onto the job market. This would crush wages (Ironically this may be the impetus to actually deport illegals). And when once they had two sources of income- gov't benefits and drug money- they now only have one. When they get a straight job, they'll be a cog in the system, meaning they have the potential for bennies to be reduced. Their wages would be taxed, unlike their drug proceeds. It seems to me you're just shifting cash. Whatever savings you would realize from releasing people and legalizing drugs would have to be put into assistance programs to keep these people afloat. It's possible you'd bring more money into the system from the black market, but if Joe Shmoe can grow his own weed like he can make his own beer it may not have a 1:1 impact.

 

[AM64]

Nobody thinks it's going to create a perfect world. We just believe it's going to reduce the total societal cost of drugs.

Now an interesting concept would be to do what you want - legalize drugs and then hold growers, manufacturers, dealers, etc accountable for the consequences. The victim of an accident caused by a guy high on whatever you produced or sold him can sue you for damages. Or the guy who used your product might sue for lost wages, lost job, etc because he was stupid enough to use your stuff. Doing it all legally and by the book in the land where nobody accepts personal responsibility would certainly entice legal honest drug production and distribution and lower costs - suuure.

Now just a little question - addiction - how do you handle that one? Seems like the tobacco companies lost big on round one - nicotine addiction coupled with the "societal costs" - lung cancer, heart problems, etc. Do we declare "oopsy, we got a little overzealous, sorry about that" and give them free rein to go after hearts and lungs again, too? After all, it's just another drug to help with life's stressors, right?

We know prohibition didn't work and simply introduced a different set of "societal costs", so obviously there isn't a easy answer. But by the same token some drugs are significantly more dangerous and addictive than alcohol, so aren't you really proposing just swapping one set of "societal costs" for another?

We could eliminate a lot of laws from the books and save money on enforcement/prevention and minimize governmental infringement in your life, but then you might not care for the result when someone puts a bullet in your head because he felt like it or ran you down because he was operating a car under the influence of mind altering drugs. A "perfect world" and our societal failure to accept personal responsibility are mutually and absolutely incompatible.