Aoc says electoral college racist

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tvolsfan said:
Our constitution calls for the electoral college. Simply being a constitutional republic does not.

But anyways, I’m simply disagreeing with the “we’re not a democracy” argument as being justification for the electoral college. We are a democracy. That’s just a fact. And having no electoral college wouldn’t make us a direct democracy (which I assume is what you mean by pure).
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Governance by popular vote would be direct democracy, would it not?
 
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evillawyer said:
All part of our blue wave strategy to eventually capture Texas and Tennessee and the rest of the red states. Infiltrate them with citizens holding our radical ideology of paying people enough to live on without government assistance. Bwhaaa ha ha.

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As usual my post went over your head.

How did you even pass the bar, man?
 
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37L1 said:
Fact Check: We are a Democratic Republic

Is America a Democracy or a Republic | Foundations Of Liberty

America is a Republic. Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution states, “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.” Yet many people often mistakenly refer to America as a democracy.

The key difference between a democracy and a republic lies in the limits placed on those in the government by the law. In a republic there exists a constitution, or charter of rights, to protect certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away— even if a majority of voters demand it.

For Americans these protections include individual, minority, and states rights. In a “pure democracy,” the majority is not restrained in this way and can impose its will on any group with less votes.

Most modern nations are viewed under the definition of a democratic republic with a constitution, which can be amended by a popularly elected government.
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America is definitely a Republic and a Democracy. Not sure why people pretend they are exclusive.
 
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GAVol said:
I always come back to the same issue with respect to these arguments. There's not really any such thing as a national election, so the whole thing is a moot point. We hold 50 simultaneous state elections.
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But the debate isn’t about what the status quo is, the debate is about whether or not it should be changed.
 
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tvolsfan said:
A pure, direct democracy wouldn’t require a President or representatives. We would all just vote on everything together.
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Would we have law enforcement? Judges? Courts? Mayors? Town councils? Etc. What you are advocating is mob rule.
 
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Why not award electoral votes in a proportional fashion? Some states already do it to a small extent. Tennessee for example would probably always give between eight to ten votes to the GOP, but at least liberals in the state could feel like their votes matter. The same could be said of republicans in CA, a large demographic of voters that currently might as well not exist.

What the practical differences would be between this system and a straight popular vote is a question deserving study.
 
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luthervol said:
No one would love that more than Trump. That's his wet dream.
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I heard morons say that Obama was going to declare himself president for life.....and it was said about GW......and it was said about Clinton......and I even remember it being said about Bush.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I heard morons say that Obama was going to declare himself president for life.....and it was said about GW......and it was said about Clinton......and I even remember it being said about Bush.
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Show me where any of those guys mused about it.

Trump has repeatedly commented about the possibility of staying longer than 8 years. I don’t think it will happen. It definitely won’t happen. But that’s because our constitution, not him.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I heard morons say that Obama was going to declare himself president for life.....and it was said about GW......and it was said about Clinton......and I even remember it being said about Bush.
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But only Trump said it himself.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Yup that “ Great Society “and “War on Poverty” thingy is working out according to plans . LBJ would be proud .
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Yep. LBJ was too damn stupid to think things through, but the boy did know how to lie,cheat, and steal his way to "success". He was a great role model for the Clintons.
 
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tvolsfan said:
...and a representative democracy

You keep throwing out the “we are a Republic” argument as though it justifies the electoral college. It doesn’t. There are many other republics. How many choose their leader using anything resembling our electoral college?
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This country was formed as a union of states rather than a single state with some subdivisions. A number of provisions and compromises were required to get states with disparate views to band together; one of the most necessary was to insure that some states weren't overwhelmed by the views of larger or more populous states. For example, VA was never going to overwhelmingly agree with or be subservient to NY; without equality there was never a chance for a union. Federalism and certainly federalism as pushed by liberals has destroyed the original and correct concept.
 
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AM64 said:
This country was formed as a union of states rather than a single state with some subdivisions. A number of provisions and compromises were required to get states with disparate views to band together; one of the most necessary was to insure that some states weren't overwhelmed by the views of larger or more populous states. For example, VA was never going to overwhelmingly agree with or be subservient to NY; without equality there was never a chance for a union. Federalism and certainly federalism as pushed by liberals has destroyed the original and correct concept.
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Again I say we shouldn’t get a vote for president. Only the governor of our state. The state governors should elect a president to do double duty from the pool of governors.
 
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simvol said:
Why not award electoral votes in a proportional fashion? Some states already do it to a small extent. Tennessee for example would probably always give between eight to ten votes to the GOP, but at least liberals in the state could feel like their votes matter. The same could be said of republicans in CA, a large demographic of voters that currently might as well not exist.

What the practical differences would be between this system and a straight popular vote is a question deserving study.
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Because that would simply be an absurd way to do a popular vote. It doesn't uphold the protections given the less populous states that they not be trampled by states with large urban centers (like CA and NY). This is largely a rural/urban battle, and there are a lot of us who don't believe that people in cities have the best ideas. My particular view is that city dwellers band together because they are too incompetent to do for themselves and require services common to cities to provide for them.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Show me where any of those guys mused about it.

Trump has repeatedly commented about the possibility of staying longer than 8 years. I don’t think it will happen. It definitely won’t happen. But that’s because our constitution, not him.
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Not really; it was an amendment (22nd ratified in 1951), after FDR's fourth term, that sought to keep us from a president for life. Unfortunately congress didn't include itself ... for obvious reasons.
 
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