Anyone wanting to blame this one on the coaches

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We left 21 points on the field from inside the 10 yard line.

We left 14 of those points on the field from inside the 5 yard line.

Bama hit hard, yeah, but there's no excuse for backs to leave 21 points on the field from inside the 10 because they didn't hold onto the ball.

That's pitiful execution and it can't be blamed on the coaches.

You know they teach technique for ball security but they can't force players to exectue it.

When you bench one (Riggs) and the next one (Foster) goes out and puts it on the ground, then your FB puts it on the ground on the 3 yard line, you're whistling up a dark alley if you blame coaching.

Sometimes these things just happen.

Remember, we have won a lot of games just because these breaks fell our way. They're not falling our way this year.

We need now to start getting Ainge a lot of work for next year. This season's goals are gone. We need now to be playing, at least to some degree, for next season.
 
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I've seen it on the board somewhere before.

Poor execution a couple of times can be blamed on the players. Poor execution to the extent it's happened this season has to be on the coaches. We've played 12 halves of football this season and only one half had decent offensive play.
 
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I don't know who is evaluating the talent over there, but something seems a little off.
 
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Yes, but overall I think you have to say that the gameplan they used tonight was the right one and the game probably played out exactly the way the coaches wanted minus a few plays and a couple of breaks that went the wrong way.
 
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I have to add... I will admit that the offense has also been hurt by poor special teams play and some nasty defensive play in the SEC this season. But still. When the players execute poorly every game, somebody has to be held accountable on that.
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 22, 2005 10:23 PM
Yes, but overall I think you have to say that the gameplan they used tonight was the right one and the game probably played out exactly the way the coaches wanted minus a few plays and a couple of breaks that went the wrong way.
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Well. I have about every channel in existence on Digital Cable, I will take some time to catch the Fulmer Show on FCS Atlantic sometime. I'm just stating my mind right now from what I've seen and had available to me.
 
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Lack of discipline is the fault of the coaches. Discipline involves holding on to the ball, catching the ball, assignments on special teams, etc.
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Oct 23, 2005 2:24 AM
Well. I have about every channel in existence on Digital Cable, I will take some time to catch the Fulmer Show on FCS Atlantic sometime. I'm just stating my mind right now from what I've seen and had available to me.
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The game could very well have gone UT's way...as far as coaching goes..I saw a very well prepared team that put the ball on the ground 1 time to many times...I mean look at the actual play calling..it was great...Alabama got beat by that same screen play 4 times for huge gains..and had it not been for a senior Safety diving as hard as he could and placing his helmet right on the ball at full speed..UT wins the game period in my mind...To me..the coaches at UT put you guys in the position to win the game..at some point players have to make it happen...something Alabama has not done the last few years....From an outside view..I would have to say ya can't blame this one on the coaches...the screen play worked did it not? just a perfect hit right on the ball...To sum this up..I know you guys could care less what an Alabama fan thinks of your team or coaches but there were a lot of times today I said out loud.."what a good play call" that means the coaches had the right plays on..sometimes guys just have to step up..sometimes they do like on that great screen play...it worked..just a perfect hit on the ball away from perfection actualy...and if the play worked it's hard to blame coaches..JMHO
 
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Well if the same screen play worked 4 times for big gains... Well then that's awesome. But that's a one-in-a-thousand type situation. Especially because I've seen our coaches call that screen in third and long situations, so all the opposing D has to do is press the WR's at the LOS and it guarantees a 4th down.

Thanks for the compliments and I am aware that today's game was a fantastic defensive battle. But there is no doubt that our offensive play has to get better. We were supposed to be among the top 2-3 teams in the country in terms of talent, and I believe we are, but something got lost in that and our guys need to start picking up the slack, coaches and players alike.
 
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Originally posted by Volstorm@Oct 23, 2005 1:25 AM
Lack of discipline is the fault of the coaches.  Discipline involves holding on to the ball, catching the ball, assignments on special teams, etc.
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Think the off the field discipline has any affect on the on the field problems?
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Oct 23, 2005 2:41 AM
Well if the same screen play worked 4 times for big gains... Well then that's awesome. But that's a one-in-a-thousand type situation. Especially because I've seen our coaches call that screen in third and long situations, so all the opposing D has to do is press the WR's at the LOS and it guarantees a 4th down.

Thanks for the compliments and I am aware that today's game was a fantastic defensive battle. But there is no doubt that our offensive play has to get better. We were supposed to be among the top 2-3 teams in the country in terms of talent, and I believe we are, but something got lost in that and our guys need to start picking up the slack, coaches and players alike.
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I AGREE 100%
My thoughts is at some point the players have to step up and do what it takes to win with out having a coach tell you so...You come to UT or Alabama to play for pride and to be great..that takes more than just normal practice time with coaches and showing up for games because you have talent...It takes hard work even with out coaches having to say so.....Trust me UT is not dead....The one big thing I think that has been missing from UT this year compared to the great UT teams of the past is not talent or coaching..it's leaders...guys who step up and make everybody around them better....sometimes it's better to have leaders than talent at some positions...then sometimes you get both..(Payton Manning) (Casey Clausen) ya can't give that to a kid..he has to earn it....
 
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Yes but many of them could also use guidance through that door, and I don't know if that's been happening or not.
 
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Stop blaming the Vols; this mess is on Fulmer

Commentary by DAVID CLIMER
Senior Writer


TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — All week, amid the sound and the fury, Phillip Fulmer had insisted this was not about him and his history with Alabama, but about his team and its true measure.

Fair enough, coach. Now we have a reading on Tennessee.

This is a team that is long on potential and short on performance. It is a maddening combination of superb talent and supreme underachievement. Seldom before at Tennessee has so much ability produced such mediocre results.

And that's a direct reflection on the head coach.

So while Alabama fans can take solace in beating a coach who has become Public Enemy No. 1 in this crimson state, it is now time for UT fans to start asking if Fulmer has the right stuff to turn around this Big Orange Enigma.

There's little reason to suspect that things will get dramatically better anytime soon. Yes, the schedule eases up, but recent history tells us that the Vols will keep struggling, especially on offense.

Asked to identify the personality of this team, defensive tackle Jesse Mahelona paused for a moment and offered this telling assessment:

"It revolves around the defense. We need somebody on offense to step up big."

Any Volunteers?

Six games in, UT can't even seem to figure out who its quarterback should be. When Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice performed the coin toss prior to the game, you wondered if it was Heads Clausen, Tails Ainge.

That's how dysfunctional the Vols are. Rick Clausen took all but four offensive snaps yesterday, but Fulmer dropped a couple of veiled hints after the loss that Erik Ainge might be back in the mix.

Even with Fulmer falling back on his football roots by playing it close to his bullet-proof vest with a commitment to the running game, the Vols kept tripping themselves.

Certainly, Alabama should be credited with taking advantage of UT's mistakes and making the Vols pay. Defensively, the Crimson Tide is terrific. Too, Mike Shula and his players were smart enough to stand their ground, keep it close and simply wait for UT to live down to its reputation and self-destruct.

Mission accomplished.

"If a team is better than you and they beat you, you can live with that," UT wide receiver Jayson Swain mused. "Knowing that you beat yourselves, that hurts."

Indeed, what happened yesterday at Bryant-Denny Stadium is yet another example of a team that does not learn from its mistakes and has trouble handling both prosperity and adversity.

"We do some good things, then we find a way to screw it up," Fulmer said.

Halfway through the season, UT is committing the same goofs and gags of the season-opener — untimely false-start penalties, dropped passes, key fumbles and special teams gaffes.

And leave it to Alabama, UT's most-storied rival, to expose the Vols for what they are — a team that is less than the sum of its parts.

Even when the Vols appeared headed for the go-ahead points with barely five minutes remaining in a 3-3 tie, there was a sense of impending doom. Would it be a succession of penalties that would take the Vols out of field goal range? What about a fumbled snap? An interception, perhaps?

Right on schedule, on third-and-goal from the Tide 15, fullback Cory Anderson caught a screen pass, plowed inside the 5 and promptly fumbled through the end zone, handing the ball back to Alabama at the 20.

You could see the life draining out of the Vols. As well as UT had played on defense all day, there comes a time when you lose your edge.

"They made one big play on offense, and we didn't have one," shrugged Vols linebacker Kevin Simon. "That's what the game came down to."

Indeed, the 43-yard Brodie Croyle-to-D.J. Hall heave got the Tide out of a hole and helped position Jamie Christensen for the winning field goal with 13 seconds remaining.

"That's all it takes in one of these games — one big play," UT defensive end Parys Haralson said.

And after one big loss that leaves UT 3-3, Phillip Fulmer faces one big reclamation project.
 
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One word....FUNDAMENTALS....

Basics...hold on to the ball.....secure the ball....discipline in NOT jumping offsides on D and NOT flinching for false starts on O.

I would love to see the stats on each player of how many times a player TOUCHED a ball vs. how many times they held ON to the ball. This is the most basic premise in football.

Our D is the only thing keeping us even in these games. Our special teams outright sucks. If the guy even holds on to the ball during a punt return he has NO blocks. Our QB cannot throw the ball longer than 10 yards. if you want to weaken the defense of the other team you have to spread the field. Opposing teams know they can crowd the line because they have speed to pull back for at most a 10 yard pass. Right there our offense is handicapped in a game.

You can break it down to this....occassional sloppy play can be just the players. But when week after week these fundamentals are lost, it's ALL on the coaches. If you don't believe me look around the NCAA and see how some coaching changes have taken already existing talent and tured it around all because of a change in leadership and coaching.

Ever since '98 we have begun this slow descent into purgatory or whatever. Each year we recruit better talent but the wins are by less points, the penalties are increasing, and the losses increase. We can say well Fulmer is the active coach with the best record but that is obviously changing. I'm not going to keep someone for their overall record. The ship sould have been sailing right for years but if the ship is sinking don't you think history is thrown out the door?
 
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But it's so easy blaming the coaches. Can't we just pin one thing on them? Come on, just imagine how good it would feel to feel like the blame is somewhere. Come on, I know you want to try it. The first hit's for free. But the next time you beep me, well, it'll cost ya.
 
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How hard can it be to coach a bunch of kids to line up at the opponents four yard line and run the ball off tackle four times. No long counts, no false starts, to trickery, NO AUDIBLES. Just line up and run the darn ball.

Anyone, including Mikey or Sarge could coach that.
 
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This has to be blamed on the coaching. Why? Because this is how UT plays every year. The only difference in this year is the fact we are losing these close games where our offense is terrible instead of winning them like in the previous years.

Watching UT play for the past few years has been frustrating and sometimes down right embarASSing (somehow we still win). Now there will be no record to hide behind and the truth is coming out. No more excuses. I'm sick of all the excuses. We need coaching changes.
 
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take a look at this board most people are wanting to put this on the coaches. gee i think i got yelled at for this last night. but my point is the coaches will use these excuses to defend themselves, they will say we fumbled inside the 10 twice and we didn't execute,, all sounds pretty familiar. it is the coaches fault.
 
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Guys, my observations with the Vols offense is that they have no discipline. To have an offensive line which "was" rated among the best in the nation and with capable running backs, there is no reason why the offense should go "three and out" so many times. Constant penalties like offsides, holding, personal fouls, etc. are indicative of the lack of team discipline. During my playing days, players who committed penalties found 1) themselves on the bench replaced by another player who was willing to play better,.and 2) running after practice to help correct the problem. What kind of consequences do our coaches give players when they continue to "screw up"? My observations have been the notorious hand-clapping from the head coach. Whatever happened to coaches who talked to you and gave you a bit of chewing out? A coach who would give me clapping coming off the field after a penalty or mistake only would tell me that the mistake or penalty wasn't such a big deal. Obviously, team leadership from players is not doing anything to correct the discipline problem. When is the coach going to step in and take a more proactive role in correcting these stupid mistakes that are killing the team.
 
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Well . . .. we fumbled inside the 10 twice and muffed a punt. I don't care if you've got Vince Lombardi on the sideline, if you do that against a top 10 team, you're going to lose . . . and don't tell me that those fumbles were the result of coaching. There is an element of our problems that is directly related to coaching, but I didn't see many coaching problems last night.
 
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i will agree about the fumbles they hurt us, but how many 3 and outs did we have, how many times did we try to throw down the field. i guess fulmer will be able to say execution was a problem because of the fumbles. i will put the muffed punt on whoever handles the special team, lucas taylor is a talent but as a punt returner almost on every punt he miss handles the ball, has anybody else noticed this.
 
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