Any word on JG?

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Vol_from_86 said:
It seems irrational for anyone to take this stance after what we saw against Bama. On JG's side? Ok. But "not even close"? Seems irrational.

I was on JG's side until Saturday but now I'm firmly planted on the Chryst side.
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Why? Please explain how a weaker armed, slower footed, immobile statued SR who basically got cut from Stanford for the same reasons, please explain how he is going to improve our team this season and next. I guess our running game will get better when they start facing 8 in the box and 11 within 10 yards of the LOS. What attributes does Chryst possess that would make him even remotely a better option? Nothing, zip, zero. Where he helps us changing out of a bad play, problem is that he doesn't have the physical talents to pull the changed play off in this league. Great kid I'm sure, talented enough to start for a bunch of teams, but not in this league. Chryst would not start at QB for any other team in the SEC, why would he at Tennessee?
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Why? Please explain how a weaker armed, slower footed, immobile statued SR who basically got cut from Stanford for the same reasons, please explain how he is going to improve our team this season and next. I guess our running game will get better when they start facing 8 in the box and 11 within 10 yards of the LOS. What attributes does Chryst possess that would make him even remotely a better option? Nothing, zip, zero. Where he helps us changing out of a bad play, problem is that he doesn't have the physical talents to pull the changed play off in this league. Great kid I'm sure, talented enough to start for a bunch of teams, but not in this league. Chryst would not start at QB for any other team in the SEC, why would he at Tennessee?
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Here is the thoughts on KC that many on VN have said. JG cant read a defense, react to blitzes and holds onto the ball too long. Now, they will say that KC has none of those deficiencies. Therefore, because of a very small sample size, the VN people have deduced that KC would be better. Forget the fact that KC has been unable to win the starting job. This is VN, where the backup QB is ALWAYS better than the starter.

I hope this helps.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
It seems irrational for anyone to take this stance after what we saw against Bama. On JG's side? Ok. But "not even close"? Seems irrational.

I was on JG's side until Saturday but now I'm firmly planted on the Chryst side.
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I'm basing this off this season's games - which KC has much fewer reps than JG btw. JG has had some great games and I really liked what I saw from him against Auburn. Your argument is that JG had a bad couple of series in the Bama game and Chryst came in and played decent. Ok - that's fair I guess. But don't you think that our play calling adapted to what the defense was showing us? JG took the brunt of the OL miscues and to be fair JG wasn't in the game all too long.

I just think the sample size for Chryst was too small to justify benching JG. There are too many variables that go into the decision that you nor I are aware of and I don't think a couple TDs against Bama is enough to justify it.

And by not even close - I would need to see Chryst play a full game and I don't think he gets that chance barring injury because JG is such a stud!
 
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Hopefully nobody is talking about benching JG. If he's dinged up, then why not let him heal up for 2 weeks? Chryst should start, and however he plays JG should come back next week. If Chryst can go the whole game, and wins, then so what? Besides, he's only here for this season. I don't think anybody thinks that having a starter who will be here next year isn't the best choice for the future.
 
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rusty11 said:
Hopefully nobody is talking about benching JG. If he's dinged up, then why not let him heal up for 2 weeks? Chryst should start, and however he plays JG should come back next week. If Chryst can go the whole game, and wins, then so what? Besides, he's only here for this season. I don't think anybody thinks that having a starter who will be here next year isn't the best choice for the future.
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I completely agree with all of this. And personally I want to see KC play a full game just to see what he can do.
 
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Right now JG is the starting QB and I expect to see him Saturday unless he can't go. It isn't worth getting him injuried more severly and possibly missing the rest of the season if he's bruised so badly he's lost mobility or it affects his throwing. That's a coach and trainer decision and if we see Keller start IMHO that means JG can't go.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Here is the thoughts on KC that many on VN have said. JG cant read a defense, react to blitzes and holds onto the ball too long. Now, they will say that KC has none of those deficiencies. Therefore, because of a very small sample size, the VN people have deduced that KC would be better. Forget the fact that KC has been unable to win the starting job. This is VN, where the bavkup QB is ALWAYS better than the starter.

I hope this helps.
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FTR I certainly don't think that in the least. My point is that a banged up 75% JG is not better than a 100% KC IMO.. Especially not after the throws I seen him make Saturday.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Why? Please explain how a weaker armed, slower footed, immobile statued SR who basically got cut from Stanford for the same reasons, please explain how he is going to improve our team this season and next. I guess our running game will get better when they start facing 8 in the box and 11 within 10 yards of the LOS. What attributes does Chryst possess that would make him even remotely a better option? Nothing, zip, zero. Where he helps us changing out of a bad play, problem is that he doesn't have the physical talents to pull the changed play off in this league. Great kid I'm sure, talented enough to start for a bunch of teams, but not in this league. Chryst would not start at QB for any other team in the SEC, why would he at Tennessee?
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That’s easy. He played better than JG when given the opportunity in our most recent game? Nothing matters more than results.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
That’s easy. He played better than JG when given the opportunity in our most recent game? Nothing matters more than results.
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If it were that easy I'm sure the coaches must see it too. You must think Coach Pruitt is an idiot if you can't understand why JG plays over Chryst, is that it, do you think Pruitt is an idiot for playing who you say is the worse option at QB for our team?
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
If it were that easy I'm sure the coaches must see it too. You must think Coach Pruitt is an idiot if you can't understand why JG plays over Chryst, is that it, do you think Pruitt is an idiot for playing who you say is the worse option at QB for our team?
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Why so hostile?

As I said earlier in this thread, I favored JG until Saturday. It wouldn’t surprise me if Chryst started but it also wouldn’t surprise me if JG remains the starter. But to say JG is better and “it’s not even close” is dismissive of the fact that Chryst outperformed JG on the biggest stage of the season.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
If it were that easy I'm sure the coaches must see it too. You must think Coach Pruitt is an idiot if you can't understand why JG plays over Chryst, is that it, do you think Pruitt is an idiot for playing who you say is the worse option at QB for our team?
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Also, we don’t know yet how Chryst’s performance against the Tide will effect Pruitt’s decision on who gets playing time. So your argument doesn’t make any sense.
 
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Here is thought for coaches and quarterbacks. I wouldn’t step up into a collapsing pocket. It doesn’t works for crappy teams with no oline. You roll out or run for your life. You can’t be taking sack after sack.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
Also, we don’t know yet how Chryst’s performance against the Tide will effect Pruitt’s decision on who gets playing time. So your argument doesn’t make any sense.
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My argument makes sense because it is clear that his last 2 head coaches do not believe he has the arm strength or moxy to be the teams leader and starting qb. Why is he not starting, if he deserves his shot, why is Pruitt not giving it to him, must be a donkey of a coach to not play the best qb? According to several, you included, you believe he should get a chance based on 1 TD drive against Alabama when they were in ultra conservative mode. You guys also fail to mention that JG was very likely concussed on the early fumble play but because he is so tough he shook off the cobwebs, got up and somehow convinced our staff that he was ok. Chryst has NEVER outplayed JG in our staffs eyes, if he has they certainly have not rewarded him for it. I guess you think we would have beaten Auburn with Chryst. I get upset at those calling for the less talented backup because it undermines our head coach who is well aware that Chryst throws marshmallows and JG has the arm talent to make every throw. Butch Jones was clearly an idiot when he played Worley over Dobbs and Dormandy over JG, Coach Pruitt is not the same idiot thankfully.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
Why so hostile?

As I said earlier in this thread, I favored JG until Saturday. It wouldn’t surprise me if Chryst started but it also wouldn’t surprise me if JG remains the starter. But to say JG is better and “it’s not even close” is dismissive of the fact that Chryst outperformed JG on the biggest stage of the season.
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You didn't answer the question, do you think Pruitt is a donkey coach by not playing the better Chryst kid at qb?
 
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johnrlansford said:
You have your opinion, I disagree! It is fine, but I hope we don't have to see KC at all outside of garbage time!
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That's fine. IIRC we disagreed on the flute guy. So it happens.

Chryst will more than likely find more mins the last 5 games. I dont see where JG can manage many more hits like the ones hes been taken.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
You said name one. Big, slow and lack of arm strength are the 3 main reasons though.
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Big and slow has made little difference. It's not like the smaller more athletic JG is scrambling like Dobbs. Those 2 are a lot less relevant in this offense.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Condredge Holloway took a beating, as did Shuler and Robinson. JG gets hit a bunch because he stays in the pocket fearlessly waiting for receivers to open up. He's got to start throwing receivers open earlier to avoid the hits, take a few more chances. He's improving every game I feel and will likely be a weapon next season.
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You are probably my favorite poster on the board but you are pretty far off base with this assessment. JG isnt really standing in there fearlessly, he has a ton of trouble seeing presnap pressure and really struggles feeling pressure coming once the ball has been snapped. I was drinking the JG Koolaid even less than a week ago but a coach showed me on tape what his tendancies are and he said it would be hard to ever fix them.
 
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Volman365 said:
You are probably my favorite poster on the board but you are pretty far off base with this assessment. JG isnt really standing in there fearlessly, he has a ton of trouble seeing presnap pressure and really struggles feeling pressure coming once the ball has been snapped. I was drinking the JG Koolaid even less than a week ago but a coach showed me on tape what his tendancies are and he said it would be hard to ever fix them.
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Fans had best get used to him as he's our guy for the next 2 1/2 years. He improves everyday and CJP loves his toughness and leadership. He reads defenses well enough to not throw into double coverage and he's the only QB we've had to win a road game vs a ranked team in a while. Dobbs was underdeveloped the same his 1st season. If he were not improving Chryst would be starting and our 2 backups would be auditioning for the QB role next season. Experience combined with arm talent will show through the rest of this season and the next 2. Trust me when I tell you that JG is not going away so best to get behind him. Thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Big and slow has made little difference. It's not like the smaller more athletic JG is scrambling like Dobbs. Those 2 are a lot less relevant in this offense.
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Lack of arm strength allows a defense to crowd the box, allows the defense to guard the pass with 4 and attack the qb with front 7. If Chryst were to ever play meaningful minutes he would be hounded from start to finish, his lack of arm strength would likely turn the ball over and his complete lack of mobility would make him a sitting duck behind our current line. When teams are not blitzing he would be throwing against 8 and arm strength is definitely a problem against good zone defenses. If we were full of little jitterbug wideouts and slot guys and running a dink and dunk offense with lots of quick passes then perhaps he would play but CJPs offensive philosophy is the complete opposite of that!
 
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ProudVOLfan said:
Nothing wrong with that, however #2 is incorrect. They blitzed him every series hence why he threw the ball away several times but maybe not as much as JG IDK
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They were blitzing JG with 6 guys almost every snap. If you go back and watch, when KC came in, they were blitzing 4 guys. The pressure definitely wasn’t the same.
 
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RockyTopJess said:
They were blitzing JG with 6 guys almost every snap. If you go back and watch, when KC came in, they were blitzing 4 guys. The pressure definitely wasn’t the same.
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USCe will likely blitz us throughout the game. No Smith on the OL and Muschamps savant blitzes equals a bad time for JG again.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Fans had best get used to him as he's our guy for the next 2 1/2 years. He improves everyday and CJP loves his toughness and leadership. He reads defenses well enough to not throw into double coverage and he's the only QB we've had to win a road game vs a ranked team in a while. Dobbs was underdeveloped the same his 1st season. If he were not improving Chryst would be starting and our 2 backups would be auditioning for the QB role next season. Experience combined with arm talent will show through the rest of this season and the next 2. Trust me when I tell you that JG is not going away so best to get behind him. Thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it.
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Not having the strongest arm and not having a strong enough are are two totally different things. His record at Stanford dispels your theory and its also a fact that he got beat out by a better player. He did not get benched because he cant play P5 quarterback. Sometimes even qbs get beat out by better players. Ask Jalen Hurts.
 
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RockyTopJess said:
They were blitzing JG with 6 guys almost every snap. If you go back and watch, when KC came in, they were blitzing 4 guys. The pressure definitely wasn’t the same.
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Simply put, that is not true. I just watched it AGAIN and they only sent 6 guys one time and he didnt pick it up. That was the blitz that he fumbled the ball on and even Gary Danielson couldnt believe he didnt see the corner blitz. Again, they sent 5 guys NUMEROUS times but they did that with Chryst as well.

Again, FTR I am not saying that Chryst is a better QB when JG is at 100% but at 75% or lower I am taking Chryst
 
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