Any updates to possible 5th year for athletes

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I noticed the Southern Miss basketball player sued and won his case this year to get 5th year. Any hope that some of our hoops guys will do same thing?
 
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I don't think any of our guys previously attended college without playing basketball...that's the rub with John Wade III - the NCAA considered his first college, UC Davis, as the starting point of his athletic eligibility window even though he did not play while at UC Davis. He transferred out the next year to play basketball at a different school, so his argument was that his "5 to play 4" should start at that point instead of his first year at UC Davis.
 
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Most or possibly all of the favorable rulings involved playing one or more years at a JUCO college. One of the successful arguments made by Vandy's Pavia was that JUCO is similar to playing at post high school Christian schools which never counted toward years of eligibility.
 
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These are two separate issues. The JW III lawsuit is not related to the NCAA contemplating blanket five year eligibility. SI originally reported that they might change the rule this Winter/Spring. That did not happen and now may be discussed at the end of Summer. Obviously that puts anyone considering staying in a terrible position because it won’t happen in time for them to participate in Summer practice etc. ZZ is the perfect example of a player who would stay, but they’re handling it in a typical NCAA way so everyone loses.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Mentioned it before but curious if Zeigler & Gainey hold out and threaten lawsuit if it’s passed after they’ve graduated
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I hope so. It just takes one division one athlete to do it like Pavia did for football. Ncaa needs to do this. 5 years is a good opportunity for all athletes to work towards a masters degree for their life outside of sports.
 
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ZZ, Gainey, and Mashack should have a good case to collect damages from the NCAA for blocking their ability to earn a living. They potentially earn more at UT instead of places other than NBA rosters. But there wont be enough time to beat them in court and get a collegiate extension. I won’t mind seeing the NCAA being litigated out of existence.
 
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hillsborovol said:
Most or possibly all of the favorable rulings involved playing one or more years at a JUCO college. One of the successful arguments made by Vandy's Pavia was that JUCO is similar to playing at post high school Christian schools which never counted toward years of eligibility.
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Back in the 50's and early 60's guys would play a year at a military high school before going to college and play. I can remember one guy who played at Columbia Military Academy who was said to be a "straight A student" (a really good QB as I remember who went on the start a Vandy". He was not the only player on this team who was beyond high school. One game the beat a highly though of jr. college out of Mo. something like 70 to near nothing. Needless to say, they had a good season. (They were not the only military schools what did this. All of them in Tennessee that I know of did the same).
 
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savannahfan said:
Back in the 50's and early 60's guys would play a year at a military high school before going to college and play. I can remember one guy who played at Columbia Military Academy who was said to be a "straight A student" (a really good QB as I remember who went on the start a Vandy". He was not the only player on this team who was beyond high school. One game the beat a highly though of jr. college out of Mo. something like 70 to near nothing. Needless to say, they had a good season. (They were not the only military schools what did this. All of them in Tennessee that I know of did the same).
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My dad did this in the early mid 60's. He played at Fork Union Military Academy before coming to play at Tennessee.
 
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I’m not sure I would put any faith in the courts as the safety blanket for getting ZZ eligible, particularly after one court ruled in favor of Pavia and one court ruled in favor of the NCAA against Osuna, in two cases that were nearly identical outside of the sport they played.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
I’m not sure I would put any faith in the courts as the safety blanket for getting ZZ eligible, particularly after one court ruled in favor of Pavia and one court ruled in favor of the NCAA against Osuna, in two cases that were nearly identical outside of the sport they played.
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Pavia’s ruling included JUCO time. I don’t expect to see any of UT’s 4 returning. Saturday will be a sad Senior Day.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
ZZ, Gainey, and Mashack should have a good case to collect damages from the NCAA for blocking their ability to earn a living. They potentially earn more at UT instead of places other than NBA rosters. But there wont be enough time to beat them in court and get a collegiate extension. I won’t mind seeing the NCAA being litigated out of existence.
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They might be eligible for grad transfer. I don’t really know the ins and outs of that.

But it’d stink seeing those guys in different uniforms
 
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omghulkhands said:
They might be eligible for grad transfer. I don’t really know the ins and outs of that.

But it’d stink seeing those guys in different uniforms
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Not following you - if a player only has 4 years of eligibility to play, then how could they play at another school but not for us?
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
ZZ, Gainey, and Mashack should have a good case to collect damages from the NCAA for blocking their ability to earn a living. They potentially earn more at UT instead of places other than NBA rosters. But there wont be enough time to beat them in court and get a collegiate extension. I won’t mind seeing the NCAA being litigated out of existence.
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If ZZ, Gainey, and Mashack are going to bring suit, they need to do it right after the season. The NCAA likely will give them and all seniors who have not used all five years a waiver while the case is being litigated.
 
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From what I understand you have 5 years to play and redshirts are removed. It is about letting the kids have NIL opportunities and opportunities in furthering academic careers as well. It just takes one basketball player to sue for 5th year.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Not anymore. They put it off til Summer.
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Kinda makes it difficult for Barnes to fill out the roster, no? Know this won't be popular, but I hope the 5 year thing isn't adopted. Personally, while I appreciate our seniors, I prefer to move on to the next chapter....for better or worse.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Kinda makes it difficult for Barnes to fill out the roster, no? Know this won't be popular, but I hope the 5 year thing isn't adopted. Personally, while I appreciate our seniors, I prefer to move on to the next chapter....for better or worse.
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Sometimes I really do wonder if you rather this program be bad instead of good
 
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Legion of Doom said:
All 3 of those seniors will be back. That hearing is in April. It just takes one athlete to sue like Pavia.
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How so? Student-athletes have five years to play four, and none of them qualify for a redshirt season. They also weren’t in college during the 2020-21 season so they wouldn’t qualify for an extra COVID year.
 
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VolCalls said:
How so? Student-athletes have five years to play four, and none of them qualify for a redshirt season. They also weren’t in college during the 2020-21 season so they wouldn’t qualify for an extra COVID year.
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The briefly suggested they’d consider a five to play five at the April meeting. Then they reneged and now it appears it will be discussed in the Summer meeting. Prior to that no player has recourse to appeal.
 
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