Antartica Melting Fast

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Septic said:
Who gives a rip if they're all religious? News flash, if religious holidays are that important, you can keep yer kids home. I just thought it was funny that any perceived slight (even by mother nature) is extrapolated out to be a liberal "war on:" <insert exclusive conservative value here>

It snowed.


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Just asked a question that you couldn't answer. But that's OK, keep defecting.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
So why do you think they plan to take 3 holidays out that ALL happen to be religious? Why not go longer or start earlier?
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So inconvenience every parent in the school system by lengthening the day for a month, or simply go to school on good Friday?

Clearly this is a liberal conspiracy.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
What does this have to do with religion? Thanks for playing along.

I'm not the one trying to prove the world is warmer today than it was millions of years ago. Therefore, the burden of proof is not on me.
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No one claims the Earth is warmer now than millions of years ago. The evidence shows that it is the warmest in human history. It was certainly warmer during much of the last 300 million years, but probably not in the Quaternary, which is when we live and is the last 2.1 million years. Essentially it has never been warmer since glaciers existed.

It is difficult to understand how people can dismiss something without knowing what the claim actually is in context.
 
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volinbham said:
I get that but trend data that is 20 years old doesn't seem like the primary paper I'd cite to make the point. At a minimum I wouldn't suggest a trend that was last measured 20 years ago is what the trend is now unless I also cited recent studies to draw that conclusion.
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If you are suggesting more research is needed, welcome to the ranks of the money-grubbing leftist conspirators.
 
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Mtntrout said:
If you are suggesting more research is needed, welcome to the ranks of the money-grubbing leftist conspirators.
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I'm suggesting that those writing a blog to debunk "denier" myths should use the most up to date information. :hi:

I'm also not buying the money angle.

I'm assuming the temperature data is being collected in an ongoing fashion and the research involves taking said data and analyzing it. If that's the case then the data should be available for analysis and publication without significant additional cost.

If the temperature data is not being collected in an ongoing fashion then 20 year old data hardly constitutes a valid source for current trend conclusions.
 
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volinbham said:
I'm suggesting that those writing a blog to debunk "denier" myths should use the most up to date information. :hi:

I'm also not buying the money angle.

I'm assuming the temperature data is being collected in an ongoing fashion and the research involves taking said data and analyzing it. If that's the case then the data should be available for analysis and publication without significant additional cost.

If the temperature data is not being collected in an ongoing fashion then 20 year old data hardly constitutes a valid source for current trend conclusions.
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It is continuously collected, and you and I have access to it along with everyone else.

World ocean data is being updated, and that has mostly been shared. Southern ocean data has been revisited and I linked one of those as well. The concept that the world's oceans are heating up is well established through various independent means. That Antarctica's oceans are heating faster was established in that paper. That no one has continued to rehash this finding specifically while continuing to publish data on world oceans and Antartica's ocean is not anything that raises an eyebrow.

We know it is getting warmer faster. They cited the first paper documenting it. If you or anyone else has a data analysis that counters this, it should be published immediately. Instead, the authors of that first paper continue to update world ocean temperature data as a whole.

I'm not really seeing an issue. If you are saying the paper is too old and inaccurate, one can look at more recent literature and see the phenomenon is ongoing but this paper accomplishes in a single citation what would take a literature review and independent analysis to equate to.
 
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Sea Surface Temps 1 month ago

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Vol8188 said:
So inconvenience every parent in the school system by lengthening the day for a month, or simply go to school on good Friday?

Clearly this is a liberal conspiracy.
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Sorry, let me draw a picture for you. Start earlier in the calendar year or finish later in the year. I know that would shorten your tax payer funded vacation but it's an alternative.
 
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Mtntrout said:
skins, what sort of situation or information would change your mind about climate change?
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point of order. No one denies climate change. The debate is whether or not man's activities are causing significant and long-term damage to the climate.
 
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Just glad I'm living during an interglacial. The alternative is going to be a real drag.
 
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MG1968 said:
point of order. No one denies climate change. The debate is whether or not man's activities are causing significant and long-term damage to the climate.
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Bingo. 1/2 degree C increase since 1880 is fine and totally normal. There is no hockey stick, there is still ice in the Arctic, hurricanes aren't getting stronger and snow is not rare. I'm tired of the scare tatics. I'm tired of the adjusted temperatures. The past 10 years temperatures are down despite more & more Co2 being pumped into the atmosphere.
 
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MG1968 said:
point of order. No one denies climate change. The debate is whether or not man's activities are causing significant and long-term damage to the climate.
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VolsNskins is saying there has been no warming for the last 10 years, thus no climate change. That is someone.

MG, what would it take for you to change your mind that man's activities are not causing significant and long-term changes to climate?
 
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Sandvol said:
Just one piece of information-any point in the Earth's history when climate wasn't changing.
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See, this is a non sequitor. The claim isn't that climate is static. The claim is that humans are strongly influencing the climate since the industrial revolution. You aren't disagreeing or arguing with climate change if your disagreement lies with a straw man.

Why would someone like Micheal Mann, who studies past climate via tree rings, argue climate never changed before? Think about it, your position doesn't even make any damn sense!
 
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Mtntrout said:
VolsNskins is saying there has been no warming for the last 10 years, thus no climate change. That is someone.

MG, what would it take for you to change your mind that man's activities are not causing significant and long-term changes to climate?
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I'm not saying it. NCEP is saying it. There has been a pause. Why?
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Sorry, let me draw a picture for you. Start earlier in the calendar year or finish later in the year. I know that would shorten your tax payer funded vacation but it's an alternative.
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I get paid to teach 10 months a year (as do nearly all teachers) so I'm unaware of this funded vacation you speak of, but it sounds like pure ignorance on your part.

But why lengthen the current year when we could just go to school on good Friday?

When you lengthen the year it actually hurts the kids because the state mandated testing dates don't change. So we come for an extra day after testing and have nothing to do. It's a complete waste of time and tax payer money.

On top of that, you screw with people's vacations
 
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