Antartica Melting Fast

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volinbham said:
Thanks for the links - since the last link is the most recent study I would think that reference should be used.

Further, I cannot not tell from the last link whether the difference between Antarctic annual rise and rest of oceans remains at 1.7 vs 1.0. Can you find that in the articles (I'm asking for assistance; not challenging you)

What's wrong with presenting best available data if it supports the point being made?
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Because while the overall ocean data has been updated, I don't think anyone has done the Antarctic warming rate compared to the world's oceans as both being original studies since that 1955-1995 series. It is the seminal work on the comparison, I guess. There have been individual studies of Antarctic warming since, for example: https://pangea.stanford.edu/research/Oceans/GES205/Gille_Science_Warming of the Southern Ocean.pdf

So that older paper with data only to 1995 is actually the most recent solely original study. The ones after it were adding on to it. And the reality is some of these papers reach a sort of celebrity status where they become "the" paper to cite.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I flat refuse to run E85 in my vehicle. I just can't justify losing 5 MPG at only 10 cents a gallon cheaper.
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This. I've put it in my truck twice, when E85 was about $0.50 cheaper but went from averaging 18 mpg to 13mpg. The next tank of regular unleaded suffers too with a little bit left in the lines. I still only get 15-16 mpg out of the next fill up.

However, ethanol demand increases corn demand, in turn increasing commodity prices. Higher commodity prices mean more crop inputs. Which means more money in my pocket. Sometimes I hate ethanol sometimes it's not so bad haha.
 
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volholio said:
That's so easy to say. Climate Always changes!

Not at this rate it doesn't. And not with humans having to live in it.

I encourage you to watch "Chasing Ice." It's on Netflix. The guy set up timelapse cameras for ten years in Greenland. . . And you can just see ice melt like rivers. It's disturbing.

The same thing is now happening in Antarctica. Lowlying lands like Bangladesh are already sinking . . .

Here's the thing: It's too late to stop the melting. That's a done deal. We're stuck with what's happening. Now we've got to do something about it and try to stop it from getting worse.

In short, what's done is done. We're already screwed for the next 100 hundred years. You can't stop the melt. We can try to mitigate the damage.
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So we know exactly how weather behaved 20k years ago? Or 10 million years ago?
 
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SergeantVol said:
Warming Up to the Truth: The Real Story About Climate Change

Global warning? - Controversy heats up in the scientific community - Spring 2005 - Carleton University Magazine

Global Warming Alarmists Caught Doctoring '97-Percent Consensus' Claims - Forbes

Just a few of many. The theory of man-made global warming is not a consenus theory. While global warming is accepted, the man-made aspect is not.
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How is arguing about consensus (falsely, I might add) a rebuttal of the scientific evidence?

Are you positing that the warming is not due to CO2, or that the CO2 isn't from humans?

Separate question- how come you've never chimed in about the warming being real before, and let folks carry on arguing that there is no warming? There is such a discussion going on right now in the global warming thread, where some are claiming that the temperature data is rigged. You are saying it isn't. Come on over and explain it to them. Or is this just about being contrary?
 
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I asked this little gem today in the afternoon session.

If it was found that man had no effect on global warming, where would you get funding for your research?

I was told that if I couldn't take the discussion seriously, I could leave.
 
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Mtntrout said:
How is arguing about consensus (falsely, I might add) a rebuttal of the scientific evidence?

Are you positing that the warming is not due to CO2, or that the CO2 isn't from humans?

Separate question- how come you've never chimed in about the warming being real before, and let folks carry on arguing that there is no warming? There is such a discussion going on right now in the global warming thread, where some are claiming that the temperature data is rigged. You are saying it isn't. Come on over and explain it to them. Or is this just about being contrary?
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I am arguing about it being man-made. I agree that global warming is happening but that it is naturally occurring.
 
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SergeantVol said:
I am arguing about it being man-made. I agree that global warming is happening but that it is naturally occurring.
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Haven't you heard? It's all our fault. Humans have destroyed the climate. At no point in all of earths history has there ever been warming. The climate cannot change unless us humans do something to make it change.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
So we know exactly how weather behaved 20k years ago? Or 10 million years ago?
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All we can do is examine the evidence and decide that reality is probably closer to X than Y, X being human-caused global warming, evolution, an old earth, the finality of death, etc. and Y including such things as young-earth creationism, moon landing conspiracies, and Hell.

But yeah, keep up the hypocritical demands for absolute proof, as if your entire worldview isn't based on a mere hypothesis.
 
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Has anyone on this board argued for the young earth theory?

Or argued that the moon landings were faked?
 
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Deputy Fife said:
All we can do is examine the evidence and decide that reality is probably closer to X than Y, X being human-caused global warming, evolution, an old earth, the finality of death, etc. and Y including such things as young-earth creationism, moon landing conspiracies, and Hell.

But yeah, keep up the hypocritical demands for absolute proof, as if your entire worldview isn't based on a mere hypothesis.
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What does this have to do with religion? Thanks for playing along.

I'm not the one trying to prove the world is warmer today than it was millions of years ago. Therefore, the burden of proof is not on me.
 
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Typical "crazy right wing conspiracy theorists denial loon" argument to anybody who disagrees with these people.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
So why do you think they plan to take 3 holidays out that ALL happen to be religious? Why not go longer or start earlier?
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Who gives a rip if they're all religious? News flash, if religious holidays are that important, you can keep yer kids home. I just thought it was funny that any perceived slight (even by mother nature) is extrapolated out to be a liberal "war on:" <insert exclusive conservative value here>

It snowed.


#gitoverit
 
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Deputy Fife said:
Your arrogant outright dismissal of actual evidence places the burden on you.
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I asked a question. Arrogance is your assumption you know what the hell I'm thinking.

FTR, I don't give a f$&# about global warming. I'll continue to burn a tank of fuel every 2 days by driving a pickup and let good liberals like yourself pick up the slack. However, in the last 3 years I've lived through one of, if not the hottest summers on record in the mid-South and two of the coldest winters on record in the mid-South. Sorry if I'm a little skeptical of global warming when it's -5 in March on the TN-AL border.
 
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Mtntrout said:
Because while the overall ocean data has been updated, I don't think anyone has done the Antarctic warming rate compared to the world's oceans as both being original studies since that 1955-1995 series. It is the seminal work on the comparison, I guess. There have been individual studies of Antarctic warming since, for example: https://pangea.stanford.edu/research/Oceans/GES205/Gille_Science_Warming of the Southern Ocean.pdf

So that older paper with data only to 1995 is actually the most recent solely original study. The ones after it were adding on to it. And the reality is some of these papers reach a sort of celebrity status where they become "the" paper to cite.
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I get that but trend data that is 20 years old doesn't seem like the primary paper I'd cite to make the point. At a minimum I wouldn't suggest a trend that was last measured 20 years ago is what the trend is now unless I also cited recent studies to draw that conclusion.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I asked a question. Arrogance is your assumption you know what the hell I'm thinking.

FTR, I don't give a f$&# about global warming. I'll continue to burn a tank of fuel every 2 days by driving a pickup and let good liberals like yourself pick up the slack. However, in the last 3 years I've lived through one of, if not the hottest summers on record in the mid-South and two of the coldest winters on record in the mid-South. Sorry if I'm a little skeptical of global warming when it's -5 in March on the TN-AL border.
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Much butthurt, such anecdote.
 
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SergeantVol said:
Warming Up to the Truth: The Real Story About Climate Change

Global warning? - Controversy heats up in the scientific community - Spring 2005 - Carleton University Magazine

Global Warming Alarmists Caught Doctoring '97-Percent Consensus' Claims - Forbes

Just a few of many. The theory of man-made global warming is not a consenus theory. While global warming is accepted, the man-made aspect is not.
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You forgot to add that your presentation is fact. That lends do much more credence to it.
 
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