Another thought for which you didn't ask.

[Flamparadiddle]

I'm sure the brilliant minds on this board will have a creative retort, but I'll share anyway...

I'm 50 years old so yes, flame away with your predictable comments...

Blaming coaching is too easy and has become the automatic go to. Yes, something is off with Caldwell and yes Heupel needs to move the needle very soon, but why do the players not have equal accountability. These athletes have grown up coddled and put on a pedestal since they first demonstrated a glimmer of special talent.

Some of what seemed to stick out to me in both basketball games this weekend was some really questionable play. Terrible shots, no ball movement, and no teamwork whatsoever. Sure, coaches need to put these players in positions to succeed, but the players need to execute.

Then we jump on here and blame coaching when the game goes south. That's too easy.

In the last 20 years, people of ALL AGES have lost real senses of accountability. There is plenty of blame to go around.

 

[ptcarter]

I'm sure the brilliant minds on this board will have a creative retort, but I'll share anyway...

I'm 50 years old so yes, flame away with your predictable comments...

Blaming coaching is too easy and has become the automatic go to. Yes, something is off with Caldwell and yes Heupel needs to move the needle very soon, but why do the players not have equal accountability. These athletes have grown up coddled and put on a pedestal since they first demonstrated a glimmer of special talent.

Some of what seemed to stick out to me in both basketball games this weekend was some really questionable play. Terrible shots, no ball movement, and no teamwork whatsoever. Sure, coaches need to put these players in positions to succeed, but the players need to execute.

Then we jump on here and blame coaching when the game goes south. That's too easy.

In the last 20 years, people of ALL AGES have lost real senses of accountability. There is plenty of blame to go around.

Don't apologize for being so young. This subject you speak of doesn't have a single answer. But you can narrow it down to the big 2 - The transfer portal and the NIL money. Coaching has to adapt, so it's that too. Gone are the days when you have a basketball team with 3 or more seniors that have been playing together since Freshman. Yes, it happens to average players, but the superstars are going to bounce around. The coach has to recruit not only a freshman class, but all the others each season, and he has to go to collective to figure out if he can even touch a player. Gone is February National signing day when the letter of intent shows where a player will be for his college career. Some of us used to watch the live coverage as the letters rolled in. Now.. you sort of figure out who is on the team by the first game.

I agree some of this is on the coaches. But there are valid reasons the coach isn't all to blame. Take Nico for example and ask yourself if this scenario would have played out in the 90's. Before the playoff game with OSU, Nico and his Dad attempting some sort of hostage threat of the program and asking for more. There's coach, getting ready to get his team for the first round of the playoffs and he is having to deal with that. Could that time and energy gone into getting just a little better scouting and a game plan together? As fans, we weren't aware of it until the story broke months later, but it surely not only affected how that prep went, but fellow teammates most likely feel that their QB was throwing them under the bus. That's my boomer story and I'm sticking to it.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I'm sure the brilliant minds on this board will have a creative retort, but I'll share anyway...

I'm 50 years old so yes, flame away with your predictable comments...

Blaming coaching is too easy and has become the automatic go to. Yes, something is off with Caldwell and yes Heupel needs to move the needle very soon, but why do the players not have equal accountability. These athletes have grown up coddled and put on a pedestal since they first demonstrated a glimmer of special talent.

Some of what seemed to stick out to me in both basketball games this weekend was some really questionable play. Terrible shots, no ball movement, and no teamwork whatsoever. Sure, coaches need to put these players in positions to succeed, but the players need to execute.

Then we jump on here and blame coaching when the game goes south. That's too easy.

In the last 20 years, people of ALL AGES have lost real senses of accountability. There is plenty of blame to go around.

I, too, won't hold your youth against you.

If we look at the great coaches, let's say General Neyland for example, the job is to get the best from your players.

Great coaches focus on execution and fundamentals. Obviously, getting the best talent is always helpful but being a hardass about execution like Neyland or Saban or Summitt goes a long way toward creating responsible players.

Yes, players CAN be lazy, irresponsible, etc but great coaches will not put up with that crap for long. Don't execute your position and you can expect to have a great coach peel the lining off your eardrums and work your butt off the next practice.

There's also issues where a coach is simply a poor fit like Kelly was at LSU or Beldar at UT and that's on the AD, IMO.

I won't speak about Kim Caldwell because I'm clueless, moreso than usual even, when it comes to WBB.

 

[wmcovol]

Heupel took a program that had 5 winning seasons in the previous 11 years, was facing major ncaa penalties & has had 5 straight winning seasons since taking over. You may need to get tested for dementia

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I'm sure the brilliant minds on this board will have a creative retort, but I'll share anyway...

I'm 50 years old so yes, flame away with your predictable comments...

Blaming coaching is too easy and has become the automatic go to. Yes, something is off with Caldwell and yes Heupel needs to move the needle very soon, but why do the players not have equal accountability. These athletes have grown up coddled and put on a pedestal since they first demonstrated a glimmer of special talent.

Some of what seemed to stick out to me in both basketball games this weekend was some really questionable play. Terrible shots, no ball movement, and no teamwork whatsoever. Sure, coaches need to put these players in positions to succeed, but the players need to execute.

Then we jump on here and blame coaching when the game goes south. That's too easy.

In the last 20 years, people of ALL AGES have lost real senses of accountability. There is plenty of blame to go around.

Agree. The whole thing about everything is the coaches fault simply doesn’t fly anymore. Coaches absolutely share a lot of blame. But these players shoulder a lot of the blame. Take our defense this past year. Terrible tackling and poor fundamentals. Year before? Wasn’t the case. That’s all Tim Banks fault? lol no way.

I hold the players just as accountable as the coaches. A coach, regardless of how good he/she is can only do so much. If the player doesn’t want it then it won’t happen. Take Jadaveon Clowney. Dude has the God given talent an physical tools to be the best defender in college football history. Yet he took plays off and didn’t give his all 100% of the time. Was that Spurriers fault? No.

 

[ftsandersvol]

Simple answer: Coaches recruit the players they want. Coaches choose the style of play. Coaches choose who plays and who sits. If their program is not successful they are solely responsible.

 

[volfanhill]

Simple answer: Coaches recruit the players they want. Coaches choose the style of play. Coaches choose who plays and who sits. If their program is not successful they are solely responsible.

Flat out not true. Support the university gives you is huge. LSU roster this year will be over $40 million dollars. We are no where near that. Mark Richt got penalized by the NCAA for paying assistants bonuses out of his own pocket. Kirby has had full support with a massive staff and all his wants granted before he took job

 

[05_never_again]

I'm sure the brilliant minds on this board will have a creative retort, but I'll share anyway...

I'm 50 years old so yes, flame away with your predictable comments...

Blaming coaching is too easy and has become the automatic go to. Yes, something is off with Caldwell and yes Heupel needs to move the needle very soon, but why do the players not have equal accountability. These athletes have grown up coddled and put on a pedestal since they first demonstrated a glimmer of special talent.

Some of what seemed to stick out to me in both basketball games this weekend was some really questionable play. Terrible shots, no ball movement, and no teamwork whatsoever. Sure, coaches need to put these players in positions to succeed, but the players need to execute.

Then we jump on here and blame coaching when the game goes south. That's too easy.

In the last 20 years, people of ALL AGES have lost real senses of accountability. There is plenty of blame to go around.

Don't agree with the sentiments around Heupel. He took over a program whose only decent regular seasons from 2008 to 2020 were two 8-4 campaigns and has already delivered 3 seasons that were better than that in 5 years, including a playoff appearance (2024) and another season (2022) that would have resulted in another playoff appearance had a 12-team playoff existed. The 2022 season was the best season since the early 2000s.

I don't follow LV basketball, but I agree that something does seem amiss there. Seems like they took a pretty big step back in year two, and seems like she has problems with a lot of players on the team due to various press conference comments.

If KC has players who quit, then both player and coach are to blame, but ultimately it is on the coach because she picked and coaches them.

 

[ftsandersvol]

Flat out not true. Support the university gives you is huge. LSU roster this year will be over $40 million dollars. We are no where near that. Mark Richt got penalized by the NCAA for paying assistants bonuses out of his own pocket. Kirby has had full support with a massive staff and all his wants granted before he took job

“It’s not me, it’s the bureaucrats.” - Next fired coach, probably

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I'm sure the brilliant minds on this board will have a creative retort, but I'll share anyway...

I'm 50 years old so yes, flame away with your predictable comments...

Blaming coaching is too easy and has become the automatic go to. Yes, something is off with Caldwell and yes Heupel needs to move the needle very soon, but why do the players not have equal accountability. These athletes have grown up coddled and put on a pedestal since they first demonstrated a glimmer of special talent.

Some of what seemed to stick out to me in both basketball games this weekend was some really questionable play. Terrible shots, no ball movement, and no teamwork whatsoever. Sure, coaches need to put these players in positions to succeed, but the players need to execute.

Then we jump on here and blame coaching when the game goes south. That's too easy.

In the last 20 years, people of ALL AGES have lost real senses of accountability. There is plenty of blame to go around.

Ultimately, coaches are ultimately responsible for roster/scheme/culture/playing time, etc...

Here is an example of when its fair and not fair to hold players accountable.

Boo Carter and Andre Turrentine were awful last year. Boo had the natural gifts but held team hostage and literally quit on the field. Who's at fault for Boo? Boo or the coaches? (correct answer is both)

Turrentine gave effort but let's face it, he wasnt a starting caliber SEC safety. Who's fault that A.T. was thrust into a role he wasnt suited for? Turrentine for just not being good enough for that role or the coaching staff for not having a better option?

 

[YankeeVol]

I'd stick to just lurking bud

**I assume this is PC enough