Another Stupid Question About Over-signing

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Is it possible that the coaching staff has decided to take the penalty for over-signing?

It looks to me like next year's class will have to be small anyway because we won't have the available scholarships... so few graduating.
 
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Volru said:
Is it possible that the coaching staff has decided to take the penalty for over-signing?

It looks to me like next year's class will have to be small anyway because we won't have the available scholarships... so few graduating.
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no. we will be able to sign 25 in 2015. weve had some guys leave the program, and that opened up some spots. they wont have to take the penalty. we have some guys blueshirting, and some greyshirting, and some committed right now that wont make it in
 
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Volru said:
Is it possible that the coaching staff has decided to take the penalty for over-signing?

It looks to me like next year's class will have to be small anyway because we won't have the available scholarships... so few graduating.
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No, taking the recruiting penalty is considered so harsh, no school has taken the hit for doing it.
 
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For every oversign, do we lose 3 scholarships from the 25 limit or from the 85 limit?
 
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Volru said:
Is it possible that the coaching staff has decided to take the penalty for over-signing?

It looks to me like next year's class will have to be small anyway because we won't have the available scholarships... so few graduating.
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They aren't going to oversign or any of this blueshirt nonsense. A few are going to decommit and a few are being recruited over.
 
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While some may feel that recruiting over current commits is bad business, I see it as strictly business. It is a 2 way street and the commit could back out at any time as well. The school has to do what's best for the program and not worry about whether they hurt someone's feelings or not.
 
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Volru said:
Is it possible that the coaching staff has decided to take the penalty for over-signing?

It looks to me like next year's class will have to be small anyway because we won't have the available scholarships... so few graduating.
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Well at least you admitted it was a stupid question. No. We will not oversign. As of today we'll probably sign 20-22 next year. Of course that number is very fluid with the probable transfers, walk-ons being awarded scholarships, and possible dismissals but I'd be very surprised if we signed over 22 next year.
 
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SDV said:
While some may feel that recruiting over current commits is bad business, I see it as strictly business. It is a 2 way street and the commit could back out at any time as well. The school has to do what's best for the program and not worry about whether they hurt someone's feelings or not.
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Yep. Davonte Lambert to be exact.
 
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I think they will find away to sign more. Not taking a blueshirt or any of that foolishness. I'm to nervous to think it will be 25 cause I don't want to lose any.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
no. we will be able to sign 25 in 2015. weve had some guys leave the program, and that opened up some spots. they wont have to take the penalty. we have some guys blueshirting, and some greyshirting, and some committed right now that wont make it in
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Sorry but not making it in doesn't help. It hurts. The LOI counts against the number whether they qualify or not.
 
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VolSinceIwasborn said:
I think they will find away to sign more. Not taking a blueshirt or any of that foolishness. I'm to nervous to think it will be 25 cause I don't want to lose any.
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There is no magic loophole, else others would already be using it.

They can take 30. Fortenberry said yesterday that he believed it would be 32-33, 30 with a couple gray shirts.

They would never oversign. Some have said the penalty would be 3 for one, but I heard a discussion on the radio back a few months ago, and I think it was Hooker said that they'd be way more afraid the NCAA would make an example of them with further penalties beyond the 3. Hubbs said he didn't believe there was any way they'd test those waters.
 
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You have to consider that any GS, BS, or Preferred Walk-on may still count to next years class.
It depends on how the 6 EE that signed their FAA are classified.
If they are classified as 2013 preferred walk ons, or if they are classified as GS for 2013.
The wording for both was ambitious, and has been corrected by NCAA already.
The rule cannot be enforced the 1st year its updated though.
They technically do not fit any current defined classification.
They are not GS, they are not walk ons, and they didn't sign LOI.
Moving forward, after this year they would be classified as EE GS players.
That will make them count to the next year after they filed their FAA.
I think we will likely also see FAA be considered the same as post dated LOI moving forward.
This would prevent a player from signing multiple FAA, like Malone did this year.

For instance next year (the 2015 class) if we had a player sign FAA before the Dec deadline. Then EE without signing LOI, and pickup the scholarship their 1st semester they would automatically be considered a GS player for 2014. This would make them count against the 2015 25 limit.
That wording was missing, and created the loophole.
NCAA will not be able to really do anything about it, as UT informed them of the error on their part, and advised that we would not go over the 85 limit.
UT is following the letter of the law, maybe not the spirit of what was intended, but that is not actionable according to SEC, and NCAA charter.
It may make them mad, but it is not a violation.
Anyway, that is my understanding on the situation.
I am not fully in the know, but know some people who have confirmed some of what I have said. They would not allow me to speak to them in terms of UT, only general facts.
I just put the pieces together enough to see the picture.
If I am in error, springboarding from what was confirmed to me, in applying it to UT I apologize. It is hard to take off the Orange Colored Glasses sometimes.
I hope we can do it, if not CBJ still has a backup plan.
I do feel very confident that the loophole will work as I have mentioned.
If not I will leave .... the door open to crow eating buffet.
GBO
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Well at least you admitted it was a stupid question. No. We will not oversign. As of today we'll probably sign 20-22 next year. Of course that number is very fluid with the probable transfers, walk-ons being awarded scholarships, and possible dismissals but I'd be very surprised if we signed over 22 next year.
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That's the part I get. So, if we can only take say 22 next year, does a penalty of three LOIs even matter?
 
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Volru said:
That's the part I get. So, if we can only take say 22 next year, does a penalty of three LOIs even matter?
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Yes, we are still on Probation with NCAA.
If we have a 2 or more minor infractions, or one major, it could open the door to more penalties.
We will not oversign.

Best case. We can take 36 with 6 in unclassified status, and they do not count to either classes 25 limit.

What I think will happen. We take 36, w/ 6 unclassified, and they count against the 2015 25 limit. Leaving us with 19 available to sign next year.

Worse case, we sign 30, back count 5 of those, and GS 1 or 2 , and Blueshirt 2 or 3.
Worse case we have 30 - 35 players and that limits next years class upto 20.
The problem with worst case is, getting the GS, BS, and Walkon players to delay enrollment and trust that we will have a spot for them with a scholarship.
 
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Volru said:
I have. It is a technical question. If the penalty is against the 25 signee limit, what does it matter if we can only sign 22 anyway?
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Sorry I thought you were asking a truly retarded question. I have never heard of the 25 signee limit and how it pertains to oversigning. But all I know is that you oversign the NCAA WILL find a way to punish you, so best not to prod the sleeping bear.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Sorry I thought you were asking a truly retarded question. I have never heard of the 25 signee limit and how it pertains to oversigning. But all I know is that you oversign the NCAA WILL find a way to punish you, so best not to prod the sleeping bear.
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Ignorant question I admit, but not retarded. If the penalty also applies to the total scholarship limit, meaning we're cut to 82 total, then of course we don't take the penalty. But, if the penalty only applies to the annual limit, the penalty would do no harm (assuming we can only sign 22 anyway). I just wish someone could cite how the rule is worded in this regard.
 
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Volru said:
Ignorant question I admit, but not retarded. If the penalty also applies to the total scholarship limit, meaning we're cut to 82 total, then of course we don't take the penalty. But, if the penalty only applies to the annual limit, the penalty would do no harm (assuming we can only sign 22 anyway). I just wish someone could cite how the rule is worded in this regard.
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You lose 3 scholarships period. So it would affect the 85 limit.
 
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