Another shooting... nothing will change

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Ttucke11 said:
Eh, sure. Don't need a study when it's smacking you in the face though. I'll see if I can find it but there are studies showing a direct correlation between anti depression medication and school shooters. Pretty much 100% I believe. Throw in another cocktail of drugs it's pretty easy to determine.

I Realize you're a nice guy and poster but time for nice and methodically analyzing everything is over imo. It's time to call a spade a spade.
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I’d be very interested in seeing that data. This is like saying people who have had a bypass are more likely to die from a heart attack. Of course they are, that’s why we did the bypass.

Mentally healthy people don’t shoot up schools. So of course people on mental health medications are going to be over represented in terms of school shootings.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Seemed like he was engaging, you just didn't like the response. Seemed on point. We probably would need less guns if not for people like you.
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No, he committed the ad hominem fallacy - attacking the person who made the argument, instead of the argument itself. But hey, you're a Republican, I'm not surprised you find that a persuasive argument. Good job goober.
 
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evillawyer said:
No, he committed the ad hominem fallacy - attacking the person who made the argument, instead of the argument itself. But hey, you're a Republican, I'm not surprised you find that a persuasive argument. Good job goober.
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Both the person and the message appear to be stupid. I guess you could move there, you would probably fit in fine. You have to admit it pretty funny an evil person is trying to convince people to give up their firearms.

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I'm not a Republican.

P.S. You are the poster child to show we need guns.
 
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In my opinion a few questions we should be asking are (1) why the dramatic increase in gender dysphoria over the last decade, and (2) why the continued push over time to get rid of mental institutions? Has (edit) "there" been a change in the social construct and/or what society has tried to push as normal behavior? Is there something in the food or pressures society place on individuals that lead them to becomes disturbed? Are some of the deranged indoctrinated by propaganda they are prone to listen to? What does the explosion of the internet and social media where you have easy access to feed the sinister ideas have to do with it? Is there an increase in the absence of faith, guiding principles, and a respect and fear of consequences?

In this case the criminal was making guttural noises during parts of his rants/manifesto like he had the devil in him.

Once we start peeling back the onion the truth will begin to reveal itself because there are patterns and treads if we accept empirical evidence to deal with a complicated issue.

If you can't put these folks in the insane asylum then you have to start charging people around them with a crime as a threat for staying silent and allowing this to happen.
 
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BreatheUT said:
In this case the criminal was making guttural noises during parts of his rants/manifesto like he had the devil in him.

Once we start peeling back the onion the truth will begin to reveal itself because there are patterns and treads if we accept empirical evidence to deal with a complicated issue.

If you can't put these folks in the insane asylum then you have to start charging people around them with a crime as a threat for staying silent and allowing this to happen.
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The people that start these topics and are trying to disarm people are the ones that have the problems. They are the ones that condone all this strange and insane behavior, and in the open encourage it. They can't figure out what sex they are and think a face diaper is going to stop them from getting a cold and magically they have the answers to solving world violence. Yet, 5-6 decades ago much of this really didn't exist.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
The mother of the shooter who opened fire on a Minneapolis Catholic church Mass Wednesday is not cooperating with investigators as they try to determine what led to the tragic events that left two children dead and 18 others injured, including 15 children.

Fox News learned the shooter’s mother, Mary Grace Westman, has retained criminal defense attorney Ryan Garry.

When asked why the mother obtained a criminal attorney, Garry told Fox, "She is completely distraught about the situation and has no culpability but is seeking an attorney to deal with calls like this."


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Minneapolis church shooter's mother refuses to talk to police, obtains criminal defense attorney

Police continue investigating the Minneapolis church shooting that left two dead and 18 injured while the shooter's mother declines to speak with authorities.
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So where is the father of the freak show ?
 
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Vol8188 said:
I’d be very interested in seeing that data. This is like saying people who have had a bypass are more likely to die from a heart attack. Of course they are, that’s why we did the bypass.

Mentally healthy people don’t shoot up schools. So of course people on mental health medications are going to be over represented in terms of school shootings.
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I'm confused are you defending big pharma pumping children full of anti depressants and claiming you don't think that causes suicidal and homicidal tendencies? Because it says so on their warning labels.
 
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evillawyer said:
No, he committed the ad hominem fallacy - attacking the person who made the argument, instead of the argument itself. But hey, you're a Republican, I'm not surprised you find that a persuasive argument. Good job goober.
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You realize of course (actually you probably don’t) that you just did exactly what you claimed to decry. You attacked LSU-SIU simply for being a Republican; not for any substance of argument.
Self awareness is of course an almost alien characteristic of leftists.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
I'm confused are you defending big pharma pumping children full of anti depressants and claiming you don't think that causes suicidal and homicidal tendencies? Because it says so on their warning labels.
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Agreed, your reply does seem to be that of a very confused person. Cant think of any other reason you’d immediately jump to the pathetic claim that someone questioning you is “defending big pharma”
 
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Vol8188 said:
Agreed, your reply does seem to be that of a very confused person. Cant think of any other reason you’d immediately jump to the pathetic claim that someone questioning you is “defending big pharma”
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It was actually a question, but I see your ass is severely chapped. Do you have anything to contribute besides being snarky? My claim was pretty clearly big pharma meds and their admitted side effects have a clear correlation in regards to this topic. You refuted that it seems, otherwise why would you respond? So, yes I'm waiting for an explanation.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I’d be very interested in seeing that data. This is like saying people who have had a bypass are more likely to die from a heart attack. Of course they are, that’s why we did the bypass.

Mentally healthy people don’t shoot up schools. So of course people on mental health medications are going to be over represented in terms of school shootings.
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If there has been any research done on the subject it's extremely well hidden, I've spent quite a bit of time searching and can't find any studies on it.
 
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It's pretty clear that the huge majority of gun violence in this country:

1) young teen to adult African American men (usually related to gang/drug violence) by FAR the biggest issue

then

2) suicidal or mentally ill/drug addicted violent persons who get or already have firearms (legally or not)

then a huge huge drop to:

3) "normal" gun violence criminals (i.e. random guy wanting to rob a bank, kill his wife in a domestic, etc)
 
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hog88 said:
If there has been any research done on the subject it's extremely well hidden, I've spent quite a bit of time searching and can't find any studies on it.
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Associations between selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors and violent crime in adolescents, young, and older adults – a Swedish register-based study - PMC

This study identified individuals ever dispensed a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) aged 15–60 years during 2006–2013, using Swedish national registers. The outcome was violent crime conviction. The main statistical analyses assessed ...
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Duty to Warn: Antidepressant Black Box Suicidality Warning Is Empirically Justified - PMC

The United States Food and Drug Administration issued a Black Box warning in October 2004 after placebo-controlled trials of antidepressant medications found an increased risk of suicidal thoughts and behaviors among children and adolescents taking ...
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Antidepressants and Violence: Problems at the Interface of Medicine and Law - PMC

David Healy and colleagues review several sources of data which suggest an association in a small number of cases between antidepressant treatment and aggression and violence.
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Not specifically what is being discussed, but quite clearly violence, homicidal tendencies, and suicidal tendencies increase when on these medications. I know you didn't say otherwise just found these interesting.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
It's pretty clear that the huge majority of gun violence in this country:

1) young teen to adult African American men (usually related to gang/drug violence) by FAR the biggest issue

then

2) suicidal or mentally ill/drug addicted violent persons who get or already have firearms (legally or not)

then a huge huge drop to:

3) "normal" gun violence criminals (i.e. random guy wanting to rob a bank, kill his wife in a domestic, etc)
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I would imagine there is more guns per person where I live than where all these crimes are taking place - almost zero violent crime and low gun deaths (usually suicide). The crazies want to ban guns to disarm the innocent, they are the problem yet they are trying to convince the sane they are the solution. LG can start another crazy insane person wants to stop people from having guns I'm sure next week. Every time LG starts one of these threads I think of the freezers he has full in his basement and that one can't have enough ammo and guns.

You guys have a great weekend, I'm going to go finish up my work and drink some beers this afternoon. 🍻
 
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OrangeTsar said:
You realize of course (actually you probably don’t) that you just did exactly what you claimed to decry. You attacked LSU-SIU simply for being a Republican; not for any substance of argument.
Self awareness is of course an almost alien characteristic of leftists.
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He made no argument. Eo ipso, I couldn't commit the ad hominem fallacy. It was simply a direct and personal attack on a Putin leghumper.
 
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hog88 said:
If there has been any research done on the subject it's extremely well hidden, I've spent quite a bit of time searching and can't find any studies on it.
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According to him the studies exist. Idk if he’s shared any with the rest of us or not.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This is, and always has been, the absolute dumbest argument the pro-gun crowd has ever put out there. Of course you can kill with a knife or a sword. You can kill by hitting people with bricks. You can strangle them.

But the RATE with which one can kill with firearms is much, much, much faster than these other methods. Kids in a church/school cannot run away nearly es effectively from someone armed to the teeth with firearms, versus a guy with a knife.
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So like others that used to flock to these tragedies in the past, you’re more interested in reducing the Lethality of the next event, not the Likelihood of the next event.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Seemed like he was engaging, you just didn't like the response. Seemed on point. We probably would need less guns if not for people like you.
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Most guns purchases are not for self-defensive. I think more guns are bought by hobbyists or hunters.

In fact, I would argue that a big dog is a better defense mechanism than a gun. Barking has been proven to scare away most attacks/burglars and prevent encounters in the first place. You are also a lot less likely to face any penalties if a dog bites/harms an attacker versus if you directly shoot them.
 
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