Another shooting... nothing will change

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dovervolz said:
Which shooters were the ultra right? I must have missed those.
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This shouldn't be politicized, but the answers to your question came to me so fast, that I couldn't resist chiming in. I don't want to post more. Again, I hate turning this dialogue into a politically partisan debate, but I can post several more examples if you want me to.

1) What we know so far about suspected shooter Dylann Roof's motivations

The 2015 Charleston, SC church shooter Dylann Roof. He was especially angry about efforts to take down the Confederate flag. He closely aligned himself with white-nationalist causes.

2) Five years after El Paso massacre targeting Latinos killed 23, 'invasion' rhetoric has amplified

The Wal-Mart shooting in El Paso, Texas in 2019 was carried out by Patrick Crusius and motivated by anti-immigrant, anti-Latino sentiment. He was said to be particularly enraged by coverage of a migrant caravan on Fox News in 2018.

3) https://www.npr.org/2022/06/16/1105...otive-was-to-prevent-eliminating-the-white-ra

The Tops Supermarket shooting in Buffalo, New York in 2022 was carried out by a white nationalist named Payton Gendron. He said he was motivated to prevent the eliminating of the white race.
 
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lawgator1 said:
How about we stage a couple of national guard folks at each school in the country? Equals more police presence to reduce crime in and around schools, and is one heck of a deterrent for a shooter.
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There might be more schools than National Guardsman and I am serious about that. There are schools everyone.

I literally think it is impossible to stop school shootings. In theory, even if you want to erase 2nd Amendment and take away guns, people could just use cars like they are doing in Europe or pipe bombs or something else. Deranged people with a lot of time on their hands will find a way.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's not easy to involuntarily institutionalize the mentally ill, unless they have attempted suicide or committed a crime, especially when they have a foolish parent who is enabling them.

www.cbsnews.com

Documents: Lanza's Mother Gave Newtown Shooter Holiday Card, Check To Buy Another Gun

Adam Lanza's shocking attack took place 11 days before Christmas, and search warrants show his mother was going to give him a gift -- of yet another gun -- to add to his arsenal of firearms, knives and swords
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

How stupid must Nancy Lanza have been? She knows her son is suffering from psychosis ..... so she buys him guns for Christmas. You can't protect society from idiots like her and her crazy kid. Impossible.
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This is basically unfixable in my view. It is so easy to perpetrate. School shootings/attacks are also happening overseas, they are just not published as much. Despite what people think, they have been happening in the United States for a long time (even long before Columbine).

History of School Shootings in the United States | K12 Academics

1700s The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indian entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed...
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lawgator1 said:
I accept your premise that at least in some cases if guns are not available kooks will use another method -- however, you must then accept my premise that in those situations the great likelihood is that the perpetrator will be far less effective than if he had guns readily available.

Just read there were 100+ rifle casings found so far. Now, I don't know if any of those were law enforcement, sounds like they were all expended by the shooter. 100 rounds, each of them potentially lethal, in minutes if not seconds. Sorry, but you are going to lose this lethality debate, and you know it.
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I guess you are right (sigh)
Let‘s just give up and let the government have an absolute monopoly on force. I hate could POSSIBLY go wrong. 🙄
 
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volbound1700 said:
There might be more schools than National Guardsman and I am serious about that. There are schools everyone.

I literally think it is impossible to stop school shootings. In theory, even if you want to erase 2nd Amendment and take away guns, people could just use cars like they are doing in Europe or pipe bombs or something else. Deranged people with a lot of time on their hands will find a way.
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Be careful, Lawgator will try to tell you that cars don’t kill as efficiently as guns.
 
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volbound1700 said:
This is basically unfixable in my view. It is so easy to perpetrate. School shootings/attacks are also happening overseas, they are just not published as much. Despite what people think, they have been happening in the United States for a long time (even long before Columbine).

History of School Shootings in the United States | K12 Academics

1700s The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indian entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed...
www.k12academics.com www.k12academics.com
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They are more common in the United States. There is no getting around that. They certainly aren't new. One of the stranger cases is of then 16 year old, Brenda Spencer, from San Diego in 1979.

School shooting in San Diego | January 29, 1979 | HISTORY

Brenda Spencer kills two men and wounds nine children as they enter the Grover Cleveland Elementary School in San Die...
www.history.com www.history.com

After killing 2 men and wounding 9 children as they entered an elementary school, Brenda Spencer was asked why she did it. Her response was bizarre. She said, "I just don't like Mondays. I did this to cheer up the day. Nobody likes Mondays."

In pop-culture, the Boomtown Rats (lead singer Bob Geldof played Pink in "The Wall") released a single a year later called "I Don't Like Mondays."

In a monologue on The Tonight Show, Johnny Carson said, "Some poor lad is going to really miss out on taking that young lady to the Prom."
 
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volbound1700 said:
There might be more schools than National Guardsman and I am serious about that. There are schools everyone.

I literally think it is impossible to stop school shootings. In theory, even if you want to erase 2nd Amendment and take away guns, people could just use cars like they are doing in Europe or pipe bombs or something else. Deranged people with a lot of time on their hands will find a way.
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Hire more NG
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
They are more common in the United States. There is no getting around that. They certainly aren't new. One of the stranger cases is of then 16 year old, Brenda Spencer, from San Diego in 1979.

School shooting in San Diego | January 29, 1979 | HISTORY

Brenda Spencer kills two men and wounds nine children as they enter the Grover Cleveland Elementary School in San Die...
www.history.com www.history.com

After killing 2 men and wounding 9 children as they entered an elementary school, Brenda Spencer was asked why she did it. Her response was bizarre. She said, "I just don't like Mondays. I did this to cheer up the day. Nobody likes Mondays."

In pop-culture, the Boomtown Rats (lead singer Bob Geldof played Pink in "The Wall") released a single a year later called "I Don't Like Mondays."

In a monologue on The Tonight Show, Johnny Carson said, "Some poor lad is going to really miss out on taking that young lady to the Prom."
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How's the liver BB?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not exactly the same mission or the same reaction likely. As long as they are simply a deterrent and report anything non-emergent to local law enforcement, I would think parents by and large would support it.

You don't have to have them stationed out by the flag pole, in military uniform and carrying a rifle. Just have them walk around and be known by the community to generally be there. That would be something.
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May be worth looking at. Maybe they can make it a recruiting opportunity as well. The worst thing we can do is nothing.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Oh, boy.
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The oh boy is when someone close to you figures out you are mentality ill. Its always the same ones. Rinse and repeat.

So, the question is, when you are locked up, am I fine with it - sure, society pays for the mentality ill one way or another. I would rather someone isn't harmed by you.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
So his mother broke the law by not securing her weapons...and her son broke the law by stealing her weapons..and your solution is to restrict the rights of those who didn't break laws??
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No. I haven't said that. I don't know of a solution. I tend to agree with people who say gun ban laws and restrictions won't change anything. I don't think anything can be done about random, lone wolf, mass shootings. We can just hope that nobody in our lives are ever impacted by them. That's about all you can do, and the odds are in our favor that we will only ever be confronted with such an incident through television, print and internet media.

In a country as advanced as the United States, it is exasperating to admit that we have a problem that we can't solve, but that's where we are.

* OFF TOPIC :

Check out the Tristen Keys thread in the recruiting forum. He flipped from LSU. HUGE get for us.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No. I haven't said that. I don't know of a solution. I tend to agree with people who say gun ban laws and restrictions won't change anything. I don't think anything can be done about random, lone wolf, mass shootings. We can just hope that nobody in our lives are ever impacted by them. That's about all you can do, and the odds are in our favor that we will only ever be confronted with such an incident through television, print and internet media.

In a country as advanced as the United States, it is exasperating to admit that we have a problem that we can't solve, but that's where we are.

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Check out the Tristen Keys thread in the recruiting forum. He flipped from LSU. HUGE get for us.
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There are no absolutes, meaning there is no 100%. Yes, the problem can be effectively solved. Lock up the crazies, there are a lot of you walking around.
 
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