Another set of transfers

[mlindsay]

I didn't mean anything towards her little sister but the fact that she wants to be a stretch four and the chance to come to UT with Mercedes as the main five. She should have stepped right in as the four for those two years. Surely she saw that but maybe not ?

I think she did but I think her parents ended up making the decision for her because they wanted the 2 girls together and Holly refused to do that (and I don't blame her)

 

[CannonVol80]

Natalie Butler, 6'5" C, who transferred from Georgetown to UConn, is taking advantage of the graduate transfer rule and is leaving UConn to go to George Mason University.

Jim

 

[NoBackBoard]

Natalie Butler, 6'5" C, who transferred from Georgetown to UConn, is taking advantage of the graduate transfer rule and is leaving UConn to go to George Mason University.

Jim

Keeping in mind these ladies are 18-22, but all these transfers make me think they have no idea what really makes them happy or the best fit for them. Butler just wasted her time.

 

[PRG]

Keeping in mind these ladies are 18-22, but all these transfers make me think they have no idea what really makes them happy or the best fit for them. Butler just wasted her time.

She just got a college degree and is going to start on her masters degree! I wish my kid could do that!!!😰

 

[Rixxx]

Plus she has two rings.

 

[Besti]

Keeping in mind these ladies are 18-22, but all these transfers make me think they have no idea what really makes them happy or the best fit for them. Butler just wasted her time.

I wouldn't say she wasted her time, since she won a NC and experienced s final 4, and now she'll get a post grad degree close to home.

This particular transfer makes sense because her playing time next year will decrease, ironically, because of incoming transfers.

 

[Besti]

Keeping in mind these ladies are 18-22, but all these transfers make me think they have no idea what really makes them happy or the best fit for them. Butler just wasted her time.

I don't think she wasted her time. She did get a NC ring and experienced a final four. Now, she'll get an advanced degree close to home.

In addition to often poor decision making you mentioned, I think there are other factors that lead to the recent increasing rate of transfers.

Social media is a big culprit. Not too long ago, players only played locally, primarily in their high school league. There were no easy options to make friends with other kids around the country, and now, contact is easy, even internationally. Formerly, you were basically stuck with the kids on your HS team and strong bonds developed with those kids because there were no other options.

Now, tweeting with other players far and wide, at 140 characters per, it's easy to develop a superficial bond with many people. That bond, and the instant stardom players can achieve, can lead to a demand for instant gratification. Most kids now expect more than ever before. So many people are whispering in their ear.

Not too long ago, it would not have been likely that Diamond and her primarily social media friends dreamed they could all go to one school and rule the world. Well, the reality didn't quite channel the dream, and those players soon went their separate ways, perhaps what they should have done initially. Previously, this wouldn't have been possible.

Another problem causing defection is kids playing on travel teams instead of being coached in HS. They are playing games instead of learning the fundamentals. They get an inflated opinion of themselves that doesn't bode well if they encounter future difficulty. Another transfer instead of hard work would be the problem.

Many AAU players are advised to and do pick schools their coaches prefer. Do these coaches benefit personally from close relationships to certain schools? The coach becomes another parent the player might feel obligated to please.This robs the player of their own analysis and can override the players innate desire, causing more transfers.

With the advent of the WNBA and over-seas play money, it's much more important to pick the right school. If the chosen school don't seem to be working out early on, instant gratification desires start the person's eye to wander. It's no longer a big deal to switch schools. Much better than blaming yourself for the lack of success.

For coaches, the desire to increase their earning ability and status in the eyes of the nation, leads them to make promises they can't keep and do other things that would not occur if money was not involved. Pat worked for peanuts and washed uniforms early on. The WBB coaching job wasn't valued monetarily in those days. Now, Look at Dawn. She wins one NC and receives a big contract extension and a $200k raise to $1.1 million and probably doesn't have to wash uniforms either.

It's amazing how many transfers are occurring, and not only the poor players. Sometimes several players from a team. IMO, this trend will continue. Coaches will have to carry a full 15 scholarship roster to protect against a short bench.

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if players, in the near future, won't have to sit out when transferring. Coaches can move with no penalty, why not the student?

 

[mlindsay]

Natalie Butler, 6'5" C, who transferred from Georgetown to UConn, is taking advantage of the graduate transfer rule and is leaving UConn to go to George Mason University.

Jim

Smart move, she's from the DC area and will get a chance to play in front of her family.

 

[mlindsay]

I don't think she wasted her time. She did get a NC ring and experienced a final four. Now, she'll get an advanced degree close to home.

In addition to often poor decision making you mentioned, I think there are other factors that lead to the recent increasing rate of transfers.

Social media is a big culprit. Not too long ago, players only played locally, primarily in their high school league. There were no easy options to make friends with other kids around the country, and now, contact is easy, even internationally. Formerly, you were basically stuck with the kids on your HS team and strong bonds developed with those kids because there were no other options.

Now, tweeting with other players far and wide, at 140 characters per, it's easy to develop a superficial bond with many people. That bond, and the instant stardom players can achieve, can lead to a demand for instant gratification. Most kids now expect more than ever before. So many people are whispering in their ear.

Not too long ago, it would not have been likely that Diamond and her primarily social media friends dreamed they could all go to one school and rule the world. Well, the reality didn't quite channel the dream, and those players soon went their separate ways, perhaps what they should have done initially. Previously, this wouldn't have been possible.

Another problem causing defection is kids playing on travel teams instead of being coached in HS. They are playing games instead of learning the fundamentals. They get an inflated opinion of themselves that doesn't bode well if they encounter future difficulty. Another transfer instead of hard work would be the problem.

Many AAU players are advised to and do pick schools their coaches prefer. Do these coaches benefit personally from close relationships to certain schools? The coach becomes another parent the player might feel obligated to please.This robs the player of their own analysis and can override the players innate desire, causing more transfers.

With the advent of the WNBA and over-seas play money, it's much more important to pick the right school. If the chosen school don't seem to be working out early on, instant gratification desires start the person's eye to wander. It's no longer a big deal to switch schools. Much better than blaming yourself for the lack of success.

For coaches, the desire to increase their earning ability and status in the eyes of the nation, leads them to make promises they can't keep and do other things that would not occur if money was not involved. Pat worked for peanuts and washed uniforms early on. The WBB coaching job wasn't valued monetarily in those days. Now, Look at Dawn. She wins one NC and receives a big contract extension and a $200k raise to $1.1 million and probably doesn't have to wash uniforms either.

It's amazing how many transfers are occurring, and not only the poor players. Sometimes several players from a team. IMO, this trend will continue. Coaches will have to carry a full 15 scholarship roster to protect against a short bench.

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if players, in the near future, won't have to sit out when transferring. Coaches can move with no penalty, why not the student?

Very Well Said!

 

[LVJeff]

...Coaches can move with no penalty, why not the student?

If players could change schools and be immediately eligible coaches would immediately begin to poach players. Think Brenda Frese on steroids.

 

[Besti]

If players could change schools and be immediately eligible coaches would immediately begin to poach players. Think Brenda Frese on steroids.

I didn't say I was for or against it. It's a tough question. You could be right, but is that a problem? Why would anyone want to play for Brenda? :blink: But seriously, the coach would have to treat their players better. If the coach left, why shouldn't the player be allowed to follow if that's why they recruited in the first place. Would be interesting to try it out.

 

[Chitownvol1129]

Very Well Said!

Didnt she sit out the year before last, thus she didnt get a ring, win a championship, only reached a final 4 and basically, i agree she would have been better suited having gone to George Washington instead of Uconn.to begin with as her transfer university. Anyway i hope she is happy.

 

[Nuyoika]

Didnt she sit out the year before last, thus she didnt get a ring, win a championship, only reached a final 4 and basically, i agree she would have been better suited having gone to George Washington instead of Uconn.to begin with as her transfer university. Anyway i hope she is happy.

That is not correct. She played the 2013-14 season @ Georgetown. She sat out the 2014-15 season @ UConn per transfer rules. UConn won a natty that year. Not sure if ineligible players get rings or not but she was there to see it and support her team. She got a ring the 2015-16 season and played in all 6 NCAA tourney games. 2016-17 season she went to the FF and played critical moments vs really good teams. We don't beat some of those Top 10 teams in OOC play without her.

Now had she gone to GM right off the bat she wouldn't have the networking connections that come with playing for UConn nor would she have been able to experience anything close to what has happened at UConn over the past 3 years. Considering it would have been unlikely no matter where she went that she was going to play in the WNBA after college she has gotten to know what it looks like from the top in WCBB.

Only she can say whether or not her time was wasted. Based on the way she has carried herself I would say she is making the best move for her. She gets the extra year so she is using it. I certainly appreciate how hard she played and the effort she gave and the honestly she displayed about her struggles at UConn. I hope she tears it up in the A10.

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

That is not correct. She played the 2013-14 season @ Georgetown. She sat out the 2014-15 season @ UConn per transfer rules. UConn won a natty that year. Not sure if ineligible players get rings or not but she was there to see it and support her team. She got a ring the 2015-16 season and played in all 6 NCAA tourney games. 2016-17 season she went to the FF and played critical moments vs really good teams. We don't beat some of those Top 10 teams in OOC play without her.

Now had she gone to GW right off the bat she wouldn't have the networking connections that come with playing for UConn nor would she have been able to experience anything close to what has happened at UConn over the past 3 years. Considering it would have been unlikely no matter where she went that she was going to play in the WNBA after college she has gotten to know what it looks like from the top in WCBB.

Only she can say whether or not her time was wasted. Based on the way she has carried herself and the fact that she is going from playing for Geno to playing for one of Geno's greats in Jen Rizzotti @ George Washington I would say she is in good hands. I certainly appreciate how hard she played and the effort she gave and the honestly she displayed about her struggles at UConn. I hope she tears it up in the A10.

She is going to GEORGE MASON not GEORGE WASHINGTON... Fun fact ! I graduated from both of those schools 😬

 

[Nuyoika]

She is going to GEORGE MASON not GEORGE WASHINGTON... Fun fact ! I graduated from both of those schools ��

Thanks you for correcting me I have been reading George Mason as GW all day LOL. Now let me go fix my post.

 

[armchair]

The NCAA should reduce the max number of scholarships allotted to women's BB. Fifteen is too many---especially when soccer and softball have too few scholarships. Twelve would be plenty. I don't know that that fewer scholarships would result in fewer transfers, but it might in some cases.

 

[Hoya Saxa]

The NCAA should reduce the max number of scholarships allotted to women's BB. Fifteen is too many---especially when soccer and softball have too few scholarships. Twelve would be plenty. I don't know that that fewer scholarships would result in fewer transfers, but it might in some cases.

Per Title IX, if the women lose three scholarships in basketball, the men would have to lose three as well in one or more of their sports. The women have 15 to offset the 85 scholarships given in football. Can you see football, which drives all of Division I athletics, giving up three scholarships?

 

[MandyLeanne92]

Beatrica Mompremier is visiting FSU today.

 

[gule]

FSU, she must be slumming today?

 

[WVU05UT09]

Per Title IX, if the women lose three scholarships in basketball, the men would have to lose three as well in one or more of their sports. The women have 15 to offset the 85 scholarships given in football. Can you see football, which drives all of Division I athletics, giving up three scholarships?

He's not saying cut the three scholarships from the athletic department. He is saying shift them from womens basketball over to womens soccer and softball where they don't have nearly the compliment of scholarships needed as compared to the number of players actively on the field of play. In such a scenario the total number of womens scholarships would remain the same.

 

[Ladyvol777]

He's not saying cut the three scholarships from the athletic department. He is saying shift them from womens basketball over to womens soccer and softball where they don't have nearly the compliment of scholarships needed as compared to the number of players actively on the field of play. In such a scenario the total number of womens scholarships would remain the same.

No way could they give more to Soccer or Softball, the small school would allow it. The large school like the P5 would love to give more but they get out voted.

 

[Nuyoika]

He's not saying cut the three scholarships from the athletic department. He is saying shift them from womens basketball over to womens soccer and softball where they don't have nearly the compliment of scholarships needed as compared to the number of players actively on the field of play. In such a scenario the total number of womens scholarships would remain the same.

I just wonder if you made it 13 and everyone maxed out every year would people still complain? Would kids still transfer... yes. You could make the number whatever you want really.

 

[WVU05UT09]

I just wonder if you made it 13 and everyone maxed out every year would people still complain? Would kids still transfer... yes. You could make the number whatever you want really.

You are probably right. Admittedly I don't come to this discussion without bias. Softball was my realm for a decade and the scholarship situation with women's basketball vs all other female sports is a sore subject. The numbers are archaic and have roots in an era where women's basketball was the only option as opposed to now when so many other sports like volleyball soccer and softball are gaining market share from a youth participation standpoint.

 

[mike099]

FSU, she must be slumming today?

Burn!!! I do like the FSU coach. Solid program

 

[PRG]

Destiny Slocum going to Oregon State!!