Another questionable quote from Butch today

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BigSteve09 said:
https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/869602612399808512



Do you think Tennessee has competed for championships in the Jones Era?
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Where the program is now, compared to where it was when Dooley left is like day and night.
We never beat Missouri when Dooley was here. We lost to Ky. when Dooley was here. We never beat Florida when Dooley was here. We seldom had players go to the NFL when Dooley was here. We lost to UNC in the bowl game when Dooley was here. We have not lost a bowl game with bUTch.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Where the program is now, compared to where it was when Dooley left is like day and night.
We never beat Missouri when Dooley was here. We lost to Ky. when Dooley was here. We never beat Florida when Dooley was here. We seldom had players go to the NFL when Dooley was here. We lost to UNC in the bowl game when Dooley was here. We have not lost a bowl game with bUTch.
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5 seasons into CBJ's tenure, Dooley is still the scapegoat for CBJ's shortcomings, and the bar of success has been lowered to 'winning bowl games'.

Truly sad times for the University of Tennessee football program.
 
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BeardedVol said:
5 seasons into CBJ's tenure, Dooley is still the scapegoat for CBJ's shortcomings, and the bar of success has been lowered to 'winning bowl games'.

Truly sad times for the University of Tennessee football program.
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The true sad times were those string of 7-loss seasons we suffered through a few years ago.
 
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jakez4ut said:
like i said, us not winning the East had more to do with what we DIDN'T do, than needing FL to lose.

as correct as you are about your assertion at the end of October, it's equally true that at the beginning of October, we were in prime position to win it, and most certainly expected to do so at that point.

i'm not arguing the math. just stating that when you knock off the top two contenders for the division, you're contending for it.
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When you lose four conference games, you aren't contending for anything

As I said earlier, Florida has actually won the division and I don't think they have been contending.

I define "contending" as being a serious threat to win the league.

No one in the East has "contended" since Georgia in 2012
 
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Some twit tweets a quote of Jones without context, and VN fills 11 pages and counting with posts about it...
 
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99gator said:
When you lose four conference games, you aren't contending for anything

As I said earlier, Florida has actually won the division and I don't think they have been contending.

I define "contending" as being a serious threat to win the league.

No one in the East has "contended" since Georgia in 2012
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ok. well i think, then, it's obvious some of us took it to mean contending for the division. and relative to what the expectation was for last year, i really don't know how anyone could take it otherwise. most readily said that winning the East was the reasonable expectation, and should we win the Conf, gravy. not expected.

no one in the East is contending for the conf title. i think most of us agree on that, and have for a long time now. all i've seen about winning the East from anyone is it being referred to as "sacrificial lamb" to Bama and the like....

but, hey, let's keep going on and on about what word is the right word, as each of us sees it. :thumbsup:
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
It happens in this order:

Division Champion
SEC Champion
National Champion

TN contended for the first step... the division championship.

What Butch said was accurate.
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So a 4-4 SEC record with losses to the two least talented teams in the conference is "contending"? You and I have entirely different ideas about what it means to "contend" for a championship.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
Pointing out a questionable quote isn't being outraged. Calling BS on someone isn't being offended, it's calling it what it is.
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No, it's calling it what you think and feel it is. And many folks do not agree with your assessment, including me.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Who has lowered the bar?
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Everyone making excuses or accepting mediocrity. Many of you try to ignore the last 4 years altogether except for the "good parts". There HAVE been good parts... but major shortcomings have also been revealed. Those decisions and results ultimately land at the feet of Butch Jones. To say it is all "OK" is to lower the bar... unless you think being a mediocre, 2nd or 3rd tier team is where the bar should be set.
 
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sjt18 said:
Everyone making excuses or accepting mediocrity. Many of you try to ignore the last 4 years altogether except for the "good parts". There HAVE been good parts... but major shortcomings have also been revealed. Those decisions and results ultimately land at the feet of Butch Jones. To say it is all "OK" is to lower the bar... unless you think being a mediocre, 2nd or 3rd tier team is where the bar should be set.
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Yea, not everyone makes excuses and I don't believe anyone accepts being mediocre.
 
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Holy crap.

This off-season: every single thread turns into this exact conversation:

"Butch ain't no Saban/Sweeney/Neyland/Meyer."
"No, but he's a lot better than what we had before."
"ZOMFG, STOP ACCEPTING MEDIOCRITY!"

I'm just ready for Butch and Co. to kick some ass so the NegaVols mantra has to change at least a little bit. New words, even if there's no chance the hate will go away.
 
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sjt18 said:
Everyone making excuses or accepting mediocrity. Many of you try to ignore the last 4 years altogether except for the "good parts". There HAVE been good parts... but major shortcomings have also been revealed. Those decisions and results ultimately land at the feet of Butch Jones. To say it is all "OK" is to lower the bar... unless you think being a mediocre, 2nd or 3rd tier team is where the bar should be set.
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I've yet to hear any Vol fan, coach or player say "it is all "OK"". CBJ did say things were "fine" after the SC loss. Other than that Al I've heard is we should have won this and could have done that, but not anything like all is well.

As many that highlight to good part there are the few that only highlight the bad parts.

It's mostly the negabombers that say let's worry about Vandy rather than about getting back to Atlanta in Dec and Jan. So if you want to bash a group for lowering the bar bash te negabombers but not the Sunshiners.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
I've yet to hear any Vol fan, coach or player say "it is all "OK"". CBJ did say things were "fine" after the SC loss. Other than that Al I've heard is we should have won this and could have done that, but not anything like all is well.

As many that highlight to good part there are the few that only highlight the bad parts.

It's mostly the negabombers that say let's worry about Vandy rather than about getting back to Atlanta in Dec and Jan. So if you want to bash a group for lowering the bar bash te negabombers but not the Sunshiners.
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There are plenty of VN posters who have tried to minimize the mediocrity of 8-win seasons with 4-5 SEC wins under CBJ as to be expected because it's UT's historical average.

There are plenty of VN posters who respond to criticism of CBJ with 3 straight bowl wins, as if it is some argument-ending statement that should wipe away all doubts as to CBJ's ability to win in the SEC.

I'd say both of those groups have lowered the bar from where CBJ himself has set it, which is to win the division and play for the SEC championship.
 
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BeardedVol said:
You can get a bowl invite with a 6-6(2-6) record; lessens it somewhat as a measure of achievement.
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And we still failed to meet that threshold for multiple seasons in a row. I would say that is way worse than winning a 2nd-tier bowl game.
 
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BeardedVol said:
There are plenty of VN posters who have tried to minimize the mediocrity of 8-win seasons with 4-5 SEC wins under CBJ as to be expected because it's UT's historical average.

There are plenty of VN posters who respond to criticism of CBJ with 3 straight bowl wins, as if it is some argument-ending statement that should wipe away all doubts as to CBJ's ability to win in the SEC.

I'd say both of those groups have lowered the bar from where CBJ himself has set it, which is to win the division and play for the SEC championship.
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So when facts about history and bowl wins are mentioned that's lowering the bar?

Just a heads up the bar last year was getting to Tampa, to see how great 120 could be and to be 1-0 each week.

Don't let the negabombers influence the bar that has been set by CBJ and the team.
 
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flatiron said:
And we still failed to meet that threshold for multiple seasons in a row. I would say that is way worse than winning a 2nd-tier bowl game.
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Dooley was terrible, we all know that. A bowl invite is a reward for not being terrible.In 2016-2017 80/120 teams went to a bowl. when 2/3 of all teams see a bowl game invite, it's no longer an achievement.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Dooley was terrible, we all know that. A bowl invite is a reward for not being terrible.In 2016-2017 80/120 teams went to a bowl. when 2/3 of all teams see a bowl game invite, it's no longer an achievement.
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You just discounted the "win" part of it.
 
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A little mathematics logic test, for NegaVols.

Person A says that, "9 is greater than 5."

Person B can respond in these ways; which is illogical?

-- "Yes, 9 is significantly greater than 5, in fact, it's almost double."
-- "Agreed, 9 is greater than 5, but 15 is bigger still."
-- "ZOMFG, NO! YOU CAN"T ACCEPT 9, WE DON"T ACCEPT 9, THAT'S MEDIOCRE!"

I'll wait for you to think through the possible responses.
 
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