Another questionable quote from Butch today

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chargervol said:
That's what I said. It took Fulmer and Neyland to get our average that high.
I'm not arguing anything for Butch, which was my entire point to begin with. You can correct people for claiming this false constant .800 or above history and it have absolutely nothing to do with Jones.

I,in no way, want to settle for .750,
That doesn't make that average any less reality.
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I don't spend much time thinking about it. The historical average that is.

UT provides what is needed to win the division, conference, and NC. Doesn't mean any of the 3 happen every year or that it should be expect.

The question is do you have a guy that can get the first 2. If you do, you have a guy that is in position for the 3rd.

I think Jones can hit the historical average most years. Haven't seen anything that tells me he's much more than that.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I don't spend much time thinking about it. The historical average that is.

UT provides what is needed to win the division, conference, and NC. Doesn't mean any of the 3 happen every year or that it should be expect.

The question is do you have a guy that can get the first 2. If you do, you have a guy that is in position for the 3rd.

I think Jones can hit the historical average most years. Haven't seen anything that tells me he's much more than that.
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Yep
 
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BeecherVol said:
I don't spend much time thinking about it. The historical average that is.

UT provides what is needed to win the division, conference, and NC. Doesn't mean any of the 3 happen every year or that it should be expect.

The question is do you have a guy that can get the first 2. If you do, you have a guy that is in position for the 3rd.

I think Jones can hit the historical average most years. Haven't seen anything that tells me he's much more than that.
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No problem with any of that but we are definitely talking about 2 different subjects.
My original post basically has nothing to do with Jones but with people that claim our entire history was Neyland/Fulmer(ish). That's the real reason why the actual historical record is often mentioned.. Because the false history is brought up so often.
 
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chargervol said:
No problem with any of that but we are definitely talking about 2 different subjects.
My original post basically has nothing to do with Jones but with people that claim our entire history was Neyland/Fulmer(ish). That's the real reason why the actual historical record is often mentioned.. Because the false history is brought up so often.
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Obviously you haven't seen the light, yet.


:)
 
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chargervol said:
No problem with any of that but we are definitely talking about 2 different subjects.
My original post basically has nothing to do with Jones but with people that claim our entire history was Neyland/Fulmer(ish). That's the real reason why the actual historical record is often mentioned.. Because the false history is brought up so often.
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I don't disagree with that.

But for as many that get that wrong cling to that, just as many jump on the average as the indicator for success.
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
I think he (Jones) was seeking credit or commendation for what he has done, W-L record, bowls, etc. since he's been here.
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And that resonates after a Dooley type. But there comes a time where what you say matters very little.

He's there IMO.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I don't disagree with that.

But for as many that get that wrong cling to that, just as many jump on the average as the indicator for success.
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Correct. Butch could go 9-4 for the rest of his career and be around UT's historical average. Would most fans be happy about that? I don't think so. There have to be some high points. Right now, Butch's high point at UT has been, well, average... historically speaking.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Correct. Butch could go 9-4 for the rest of his career and be around UT's historical average. Would most fans be happy about that? I don't think so. There have to be some high points. Right now, Butch's high point at UT has been, well, average... historically speaking.
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Yep, true.

We were talking about this the other day, the possibility of Butch being a rarity, a coach who doesn't have highs or lows, just kind of rides one line (in this case, the 9-win line) for several years in a row.

It wouldn't be the MOST shocking thing in the universe to see happen, but it would be a head-scratcher.

And would eventually get him fired. We play for championships at Tennessee, the Dark Ages notwithstanding.

Here's hoping for more in 2017.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Correct. Butch could go 9-4 for the rest of his career and be around UT's historical average. Would most fans be happy about that? I don't think so. There have to be some high points. Right now, Butch's high point at UT has been, well, average... historically speaking.
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I think some fans would be more than fine with that. While others could deal with a bad year or 2 as long as you are good enough to make it pay out at some point.

Personally I think the majority of the fanbase are satisfied with what he has done to this point and some of that group would be fine if that's all he did. But that will wear off soon enough. He's on the clock for something tangible. That started last year.
 
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chargervol said:
Yep, and don't get me wrong. I want Neyland type of wins.
But outside of him and half of Fulmer's career, we've averaged around .750.

Doesn't mean I'm settling just because I'm honest about it. Instead of making some BS claim about how Tennessee was always so much better than this. No, they weren't.
And I still want better. Just have no interest in lying about it.
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Tennessee's historical average of .680 puts them just outside of the top 10 and in the 90th percentile. If you exclude Neyland and Good Fulmer, then the all-time winning percentage is considerably less than .750. It might even be below 60%.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yep, true.

We were talking about this the other day, the possibility of Butch being a rarity, a coach who doesn't have highs or lows, just kind of rides one line (in this case, the 9-win line) for several years in a row.

It wouldn't be the MOST shocking thing in the universe to see happen, but it would be a head-scratcher.

And would eventually get him fired. We play for championships at Tennessee, the Dark Ages notwithstanding.

Here's hoping for more in 2017.
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I can certainly see Butch being that type of coach. Most, if not all, coaches have a 7-5 or 6-6 type season but they need to balance that with a 10-2 or 11-1 here and there.

Too early to get rid of Butch but we should be able to tell in the next 2 seasons if he can elevate to double digit wins.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Tennessee's historical average of .680 puts them just outside of the top 10 and in the 90th percentile. If you exclude Neyland and Good Fulmer, then the all-time winning percentage is considerably less than .750. It might even be below 60%.
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Thanks Thunder.
I didn't go back and look today, it has been about a year. I knew I was going conservative but didn't realize it was that much lol. But thanks again for looking it up.
 
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23 pages due to the use of one word which quite frankly was the correct word to use ... all things considered.

You could be Baylor fans and dealing with all that. Or Ole Miss fans and dealing with serious infractions that may set your football team back to the Dark Ages.

In the grand scheme of things words spoken in context of a football team is not something worth getting all stressed out about.
 
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Not sure the average matters all that much this year. IMO, the majority of the fanbase is looking for upward momentum. Seven wins will be frowned upon by a large chunk of the fanbase and 8 wins will be a plateau.
 
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volfan102455 said:
23 pages due to the use of one word which quite frankly was the correct word to use ... all things considered.

You could be Baylor fans and dealing with all that. Or Ole Miss fans and dealing with serious infractions that may set your football team back to the Dark Ages.

In the grand scheme of things words spoken in context of a football team is not something worth getting all stressed out about.
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Wouldn't it be funny if Butch planned it exactly as it's playing out and he's just been punking his detractors?
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
You mean hasn't finished better than .625 in conference. If you mean during the Butch years, of course.

We went 5-3 (SEC) season before last.

Just clarifying the facts with you.
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My bad, thanks for the clarification, still not competed for a championship of any kind
 
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Boca Vol said:
Correct. Butch could go 9-4 for the rest of his career and be around UT's historical average. Would most fans be happy about that? I don't think so. There have to be some high points. Right now, Butch's high point at UT has been, well, average... historically speaking.
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We historically win 77% of our games so in a 12 game season that translates into 9 wins. Historically we are 28 wins and 24 losses in Bowl games about 54% Butch's teams are 3 and 0 so he is ahead of the curve on Bowl %.
 
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Ace said:
I wonder how many on VN could handle the scrutiny of every word you spoke being parsed to the 10th degree. Give me a break. He is answering a question. He is not trying to lower expectations, he is just explaining the obvious: the Vols have improved every year for the past 3 years.

IMO, this year will be our championship year (SEC East). If not, he will face the consequences.
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Saying he has improved every year is questionable. Finally beating Florida was a step forward, but losing to Vandy and SC were two giant steps back.
 
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fade route said:
It's not. It's basically another example of Butch telling all of us our expectations are too high.
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I believe had the strength and conditioning coach change not been so awful we would not had quite the rash of injuries last year and would have been a stronger more physical team and won the east. Butch's hire... his failure. We went from two years ago having bama players saying we were most physical team they played to a team that got pushed around by app state...coaching...he has to own his decisions
 
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